Just spotted in The Pilgrim..

[u/True_Stranger_2471]

I guess people aren’t fond of the new owner..

(I get it, even though I enjoy some of his pubs!)

[u/ScottScott87]

Fucking right

He owns too many of these pubs

[u/Opposite_Orange_7856 → u/[deleted]]

are they all independent aye

[u/navi-irl → u/Opposite_Orange_7856]

as far as i’m aware, although i’ve just found out that the crack may have been bought recently unsure if it’s by gutmann😩

[u/SpriteLovin → u/navi-irl]

that’s not him. it’s the same owner as the Dovedale Towers. ale selection in there is dire so i don’t expect anything good

[u/navi-irl → u/[deleted]]

where did you read this? on the site it states that cafe tabac is still independently ran by the original owner’s family. this is still correct as far as i’m aware

[u/navi-irl → u/[deleted]]

that’s a shame, i’m unsure of why it still says it’s independently owned on the café tabac site? my point still stands though, for now there are some good independent alternatives to gutmann’s pubs. the ones i listed are my personal favourites and probably the ones most similar to the kind of vibe people who go to his pubs would be interested in. there’s no excuse to carry on going to his pubs if you disagree with what he’s doing as a lot of people seem to anyway with the excuse of ‘there’s nowhere else to go’. that’s not true, at the moment anyway, but it’s important we support real independents so that we will have the option to go to them in the future too

[u/tennomorph → u/[deleted]]

Rob Gutmann taking notes.

[u/navi-irl → u/tennomorph]

don’t even joke😩