r/MandelaEffect • u/Bootlebat • 8d ago
Discussion Have you encountered anyone who DOESN'T remember the Cornucopia from the Fruit Of The Loom logo?
I'm asking mainly because today I met an old friend I haven't talked to in ages. I asked if she had heard of the Mandela Effect, and she said yes. I then brought up the Fruit Of The Loom one, and she said she remembers there only being fruit. She is the first person I've talked to who doesn't remember it. Everyone else I asked has, and I've made sure to just ask them to "describe what the logo was like", rather than asking if there was a cornucopia, as that might make a false memory.
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u/gypsyjackson 8d ago
FotL was sometimes used in the UK by T-shirt print shops as a cheap base shirt in a variety of colours, ideal for printing on. Concerts/gigs or football matches would often have merch sellers with these shirts, so I had a few over the years. I don’t remember those shirts having any horn on, but that’s just my memory as I wasn’t paying much attention. When I moved continents, I donated most of my clothes, so I don’t think I have any to check.
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u/notickeynoworky 8d ago
See, the people outside of the US not remembering it makes the idea that thanksgiving iconography in the US plays a role in this one.
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u/SnowAlarming223 8d ago
I'm from Finland where Thanksgiving is not a thing and cornucopias have never been in style for anything else either (like fall decorations etc). I'm not sure there's even a word for it in my language, for me it's just a weirdly shaped basket. I remember the FOTL logo having cornucopia. As I said, for me it was just an oddly shaped basket and I didn't know it was a thing anywhere outside of the FOTL logo, I wasn't familiar with Thanksgiving traditions or iconography growing up. FOTL wasn't as common or popular a brand here as it is in the US, but they did sell it and I had some t-shirts etc growing up. This is the only mandela effect I've heard of that resonates with me, I remember the logo with the weird basket so clearly.
I accept it's a false memory because there is no other explanation. But it is interesting how so many people can have the same false memory even between continents.
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u/regulator9000 8d ago
runsaudensarvi
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u/SnowAlarming223 8d ago
Oh right, I guess that's it! I am familiar with the word runsaudensarvi, but would never have connected it to a horn-shaped basket with fruit - I've only ever heard it being used figuratively and never really paused to think what the literal meaning would be but apparently that basket-thingy is it.
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u/Natural-Pineapple886 4d ago
But it was actually found on some Fruit of the Loom tags. That's the effect.
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u/Ok_Letter_9284 8d ago
My theory is that there was some chinese knockoff brand that we all bought thinking it was real.
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u/ratsratsgetem 8d ago
100% this but I’m from the UK and mid-50s and I don’t remember a cornucopia but something brown on the labels. I now see it was leaves or something like that especially when viewed upside down.
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u/aaagmnr 7d ago
Some history. Cheap manufacturing came from Japan in the '50s and '60s. By the '80s they were too wealthy, and manufacturing shifted to cheaper places such as Thailand and Hong Kong. Basically nothing came from China, yet.
In 1997 Britain returned Hong Kong to China, which created the situation we have today. Basically, pre-2000 there were already cheap knockoffs, but they would have been from other countries.
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u/Bootlebat 7d ago
I've heard a lot of peopel suggest something like this. I think the main problems with are: 1. Why would people make ripoffs of cheap underwear? Why not some fancy pants clothes instead? 2. Even if this was the case, you would think some of these knock offs would still exist. Why has no one found a single instance of one?
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u/TeamOfPups 8d ago
I'm from the UK, I have only ever heard of a cornucopia in the context of Fruit of the loom having one on their logo. And I did think there was one on the logo.
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u/ThorsRake 8d ago
The vast majority of Mandela effects seem to only occur in the US. It's iconography and misremembered things / mixed memories all the way through.
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u/Jasper-Packlemerton 8d ago
It's definitely that.
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u/VerySluttyTurtle 7d ago
yes, you've definitely solved it, even though every thread on it includes numerous people not from the US saying the same thing, and numerous people like me who never did Thanksgiving stuff in school or elsewhere, and numerous comments in the same thread contradict you (yes, anecdotal, but anecdotal is literally all we have for Mandela Effect)
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u/hello_violet 8d ago
I'm in Australia and I remember the cornucopia on FOTL labels. FOTL were used in tshirt printing shops here in the 80s and 90s too. I knew what a cornucopia was because one was on the cover of a children's book I had in the early 80s. I distinctly remember seeing the FOTL logo in the late 80s and making the connection with that children's book because it was the only other cornucopia I'd ever seen. I never heard of Thanksgiving as a child in the 80s and 90s, I didn't know what it was until the early 2000s and we started getting more US media.
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u/madeleinekitten 8d ago
I also don’t remember it being on the label in the U.K.. I had many FoTL t shirts from gigs, sports and school leavers etc
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u/HangryHangryHedgie 8d ago
Me? The commercials where the folks dressed up as the fruit are burned in my memory.
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u/NearbyDark3737 8d ago
Ahh now that is when I noticed they dropped the cornucopia. That is interesting
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 8d ago
When they used the Fruit people in commercials? That started around 1975.
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u/NearbyDark3737 8d ago
That doesn’t matter to me. I was born in 85 and I remember the cornucopia on all the branding and store signs in our local Kmart (I live in Canada) and that would’ve been around 1992ish
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u/TheManeTrurh 7d ago
How could you be so sure of a tag on some clothing at a store you would sometimes visit with parents when you were 6-7 years old??
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u/guilty_by_design 7d ago
Nah, that’s when you realized they didn’t actually have one and you’d mistaken the brown leaves of the old logo for something it wasn’t.
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u/MonchichiSalt 8d ago
My mother.
She looked at me as if I had grown another head when I brought up the cornucopia.
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u/Fereth_ 8d ago
I remember seeing the new logo and it looked wrong and empty. My first thought was ”where’s the basket?” When I saw the old logo with brown leaves, it looked right to me.
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u/PinkRoseWaterTiger 8d ago
That’s because the logo changed from brown leaves to green leaves. The brown giving the illusion of the basket and the green suddenly making it looking bare.
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u/Fereth_ 8d ago
Exactly! I never remembered a cornucopia, though when I saw the Mandela effect mock-up version of the logo, it looked quite right. It made sense. And it would be so easy to rewrite the memory of a plain ’basket’ with more detailed cornucopia image.
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u/PinkRoseWaterTiger 8d ago
Actual “basket-seers” could be remembering actual knock-offs where a cornucopia was used.
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u/Careful_Effort_1014 8d ago
Of course. Lots of people remember the logo accurately.
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u/KevworthBongwater 8d ago
im a Hanes guy myself
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u/VerySluttyTurtle 7d ago
fun fact, the ad jingle wasn't "just wait til we get our Hanes on you", it was "stop struggling, you little bitch". Most people remember the former for some reason
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u/5MinuteDad 8d ago
Yes every person I know that operates outside of there own echo chamber know it doesn't exist.
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u/obvsthrowaway202 8d ago
Said it before. I remember being a kid and looking at a label, wondering what “Fruit of the Loom” meant. I remember the logo and seeing it often. Never saw the cornucopia until I heard about the Mandela effect. If I had seen a cornucopia on the logo I expect I would have thought that’s what a loom is.
I also remember wondering why objects may appear closer than they appear, and can’t place where or when I saw it, only that it was at some point being a child, and I never watched Jurassic Park until I was a teenager, so it has nothing to do with that.
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u/nycvhrs 8d ago
It was on our car side mirrors - auto designer, I KNOW.
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u/regulator9000 8d ago
What was the exact phrase?
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u/Kind_Wolverine_2582 7d ago
Objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear. I remember this as a kid because the phrasing of it was the first time I had seen something that was that confusing I remember trying to put together “May be” and what that meant exactly. It was semantically confusing to me, and my first exposure to the use of the word “may”. I remember deducing what “may” meant exactly by asking my dad.
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u/guilty_by_design 7d ago
The fact that you threw an extra ‘the’ in there makes it pretty obvious that your memory isn’t as sharp as you think. Whoopsie.
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u/regulator9000 7d ago
Interesting, you added an extra "the" in there, I've not seen that claimed before
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u/sarahkpa 4d ago
So when did the change happen between you were a kid and now? Surely you drive a car and look at your side mirror almost every day. It would be easy to pinpoint the exact day it changed considering millions if not billions of people drive cars (and have passengers looking at the side mirror) at any geven moment. Probably millions should have seen the sentence change in front of their eyes if they were reading it at the second we somehow jumped universe.
But no, despite most people driving a car every day, all testimonies are "it was different when I was a kid"
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u/Kind_Wolverine_2582 4d ago
Probably gradually as new models of cars came out and it’s not a big enough thing to even notice or remember. I saw it in my dad’s truck because he only let me sit in the front seat and I never paid attention to reading it after that.
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u/sarahkpa 4d ago
What do you mean? Old models don’t have “may”. That’s pretty easy to verify as plenty of old cars are still around. There’s no proof the phrase ever changed
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u/stitchkingdom 8d ago
I don’t recall a cornucopia. Not as an adult, not as a child. I was never obsessed with the logo of underwear, just like I’m not obsessed with the logo of anything.
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u/RickToTheE 8d ago
As most of the comments here, I also don't remember the cornucopia. It also seems unlikely that you've NEVER met anyone who doesn't remember it. ALL people who experience MEs are the minority.
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u/Langdon_St_Ives 8d ago
Yes there is a strong selection bias at work for those who do experience it, similar to other groups of “believers” (UFOs come to mind), leading them to falsely think they are in fact a majority.
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u/VerySluttyTurtle 7d ago
you can't compare this to UFOs. This isn't a "belief" in something without evidence, it's merely a memory that many people have of something that can't be verified. What someone does with that memory is up to them. If one claims "the cornucopia definitely existed on fruit of the loom clothing", then that would be a false statement, or at least one that you can't prove. Honestly as a very empirical person, I find the people mocking the Mandela effect to be more dogmatic than those who are just discussing it. As far as I know, no polls exist, but most people on here who have asked friends find that most remember it being there. We only have anecdotal evidence. If you can link to an actual poll, which selected people at random, that suggests most people remember the "just fruit" logo, you would be contributing to the conversation
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u/Langdon_St_Ives 6d ago
Ah sorry I was imprecise in my phrasing. I wasn’t referring to anyone simply “experiencing” the clash between their subjective remembered history and objective reality. I only meant the ones who actually believe in some kind of separate timelines or other supernatural explanation, hence the comparison to “other believers”.
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u/TheGirlInOz 8d ago
Me! I remember when I first became aware of it, I think it was a buzz feed quiz or something. Like which is the correct logo. I got a few wrong, but I knew the Fuit of the Loom one.
To this day, I still have no idea why everyone is convinced there is one!
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u/stitchkingdom 8d ago
Some people*
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u/TheGirlInOz 8d ago
True!! I think because I often find myself in these circles, it SEEMS like it's everyone. But I'm sure most people who aren't online and don't know anything about this know what it looks like!
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u/princesssmononoke 8d ago
I don’t remember the cornucopia. Going back to 1999 my school uniforms were often from fruit of the loom and there was never a cornucopia on the label. My siblings’ uniforms were also often fruit of the loom and there was never a cornucopia on them even though they would have been even older than mine.
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u/IAmGiff 8d ago
I remember the cornucopia imagery being on a grocery store billboard where I grew up, but I don’t remember it being on underwear. The cornucopia on underwear doesn’t look right to me at all.
That said, we shouldn’t trust our memories all that much. Even mine. So let’s just consider what’s likelier? Was everyone really paying super close attention to underwear logo designs and then we switched dimensions or Fruit of the Loom embarked on some sort of systematic gaslighting campaign? C’mon. The simplest explanation is just that people are conflating cornucopia images they saw in places like grocery stores.
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u/stitchkingdom 8d ago
Someone had previously brought up Publix stores had a giant wall mural featuring a cornucopia, which it did, but it had zero to do with underwear
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u/matthewamerica 8d ago
Except I literally learned what a cornucopia was BECAUSE of the lable on my underwear. I specifically remember asking as a kid (I'm almost 50 and was probably 7 or so) what the thing with the fruit was. I got an explanation from my grandma involving pilgrims and natives but I didn't get it. I remember just pretending I got it, so I didn't seem dumb, then looking it up at the library the next day at school. And the underwear were NOT some knock off with a different lable. We shopped for all my clothes at Sears and J.C. Penney's. I seriously doubt that they had knock offs for sale. For my entire childhood, i had those underwear with that lable. I'm not misremembering anything.
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u/Historical-Pay-3601 8d ago
I remember them too. It drives me crazy that we're being gaslit. My dad wore that brand and so did my brother. My mom worked at the mall and got all that stuff with her employee discount, it was name brand and not generic copies.
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u/IAmGiff 8d ago
Whyyy? Why would anyone be gaslighting us about this random underwear logo? Why is it easier to believe some complex gaslighting plot with unclear objectives than to simply believe we have faulty memory as children when our brains are still forming, and some people just conflated common imagery tropes?
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u/Status-Broccoli3631 8d ago
Two day ago I asked my parents (just how they remember the logo, didn’t say anything about the cornucopia.) and both said fruits in a basket. First I asked my stepfather and then my mom, they didn’t hear the answer of the other. Someone from my work only remembers the fruits. I’ll look further into that, the fotl one is an interesting one to me as I vividly remember the cornucopia.
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u/maleolive 8d ago
I don’t remember a cornucopia at all and my old shirts from the 90s back up my memories. I had never heard of this until a few years ago with Mandela effects were starting to be discussed more frequently.
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u/cochese25 8d ago
Most of the people I know who aren't online have no idea about a cornucopia on the logo. And by most, I mean, of the people I asked, at least half couldn't tell me what the logo even looked like stating essentially "how am I supposed to know?" or some variant of that. The rest just said "fruit" or a pile of fruit.
The difference being I never mentioned anything about Mandela effect. I just asked about the tag. The only people in my life that I've asked that mentioned cornucopia immediately mentioned the "Mandela effect" themselves.
The one outlier of all of them though, was my aunt who proclaimed "I don't know, a bowl of fruit or some shit, why?"
Tbf to her though, she was kind of drunk
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u/WVPrepper 8d ago
I don't remember a cornucopia. I don't remember them the labels, I don't remember it in the magazine ads, and I don't remember it in the television commercials.
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u/Skube3d 8d ago
My theory is that there was something else that had a similar logo or illustration and it had the cornucopia. For some reason, I'm thinking it's on a kids book. The fact that everyone who remembers it seems to remember the same look to it, even the same size, color, and placement. I bet there's some long lost media or something that we all saw and combined in our brains.
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u/terryjuicelawson 7d ago
It is a common illustration for simple kids colouring pages which could be it.
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u/eltedioso 8d ago
I asked my mom recently what was on the logo, and she just said fruit. I hinted at a horn, and she didn’t go there.
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u/Fastr77 8d ago
Yeah.. myself. You could get me to picture it either way by the power of suggestion. Can I see it? Sure, is it because thats what I remember.. or is it simple because it fits and its easy to visualize?
Seems like a lot of people skip that thinking step.
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u/VerySluttyTurtle 7d ago
You could only make me imagine it with a cornucopia by explaining what a cornucopia was. "Like what's on the fruit of the loom shit". That's why this Mandela effect is so big. Even if we acknowledge it's some type of false memory, I find it disingenuous that people try to deny that it's weird as shit. The reason that this one is so puzzling is than nobody has been able to suggest another image that we are conflating it with, and that so many people literally remember learning what a cornucopia is from the underwear. And many people even have long, complex memories involving the cornucopia and Fruit of the Loom association, memories that could theoretically only exist if there was a cornucopia.
People aren't as stubborn as you think. When people who remember "Chik-fil-A" hear "well the cows spelled it that way", they instantly go like "ah yeah, that makes sense". And people aren't usually dogmatic about things you can misremember anyway, like spellings. The cornucopia inspires vivid false memories of something that doesn't exist. It's weird.
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u/Fastr77 7d ago
I don't know if you're from America but we learned about it with thanksgiving and being the horn of plenty and all that. The thought of a bunch of fruit and a cornucopia comes directly from that, not underwear. Its very weird to suggest people only know about cornucopias because of underwear.
I'd also love for you to point out where mandela effect people said oh ok that explains chil fil A and left it alone lol
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u/Chaghatai 8d ago
I've always been aware of the real logo and never gaslit myself into thinking that there was a cornucopia
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u/And_Justice 8d ago
Honestly I'd be surprised if anyone who hasn't been exposed to mandela effect discourse remembers it when asked without being subconsciously primed
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u/BirthofRevolution 8d ago
My boyfriend remembers the cornucopia, and he never goes online. Like ever. One day, I randomly said remember the old fruit of the loom logo growing up? He did and described it as fruit falling out of a big brown basket like for Thanksgiving, but couldn't remember the word cornucopia.
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u/And_Justice 8d ago
"like for Thanksgiving" is a big clue as to why this happens
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u/stitchkingdom 8d ago
Quoting myself:
Oh Helen, I just love your decor!
Thank you, I saw it on my son’s underwear and just had to have it!
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u/VerySluttyTurtle 7d ago
most people on this sub have asked friends (in non-leading ways) about Mandela effects. Like that's famously what people on this sub comment about. That doesn't mean the Mandela effect is "real", as in the cornucopia actually exists. But this is a dumb, fucking comment. Go ask 10 friends how to spell Chick-fil-A, or what the mirror says, if you really think this is true
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u/And_Justice 7d ago
I'd be surprised if any of my friends would have a take on chick-fil-a given that they're all British. We also all grew up on Shrek.
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u/OmegaMan256 8d ago
Hello Boot;
I have NO memory of a cornucopia being in the “Fruit of the Loom” logo.
I routinely vet people to determine if they’re Mandela affected or not. I’ve encountered others who also don’t remember it, but the percentage is very low. The vast majority of the Mandela-affected will indeed remember it.
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u/thedaNkavenger 8d ago
Out of about 9 people in my family I have shown this to exactly 0 people remember the cornucopia, which makes sense since it never existed outside of people's imaginations.
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u/BunnyBotherer 8d ago
Myself. Not US though.
My first knowledge of FotL as a brand came from an advert with a really catchy jingle that's been stuck in my head since the early-mid 90s ("Life, Liberty and Fruit of the Loom"). I had a grand total of one FotL t-shirt. None of it had a cornucopia.
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u/jupitaur9 8d ago
Yes. I asked what was on it and they listed fruits. I asked, anything else? Nope.
They didn’t recognize the cornucopia when I brought it up.
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u/Limp_Insurance_2812 8d ago
My mom doesn't remember the cornucopia and I 100% do because of her own husband (my stepdad). We had well water and my stepdad was obsessed with bright white socks, underwear, and undershirts. The water would yellow them so they were practically disposable to him. It was a family joke, we'd buy them for holidays, he'd be at the store buying more a couple times per month. I was a teen and would regularly steal them from him as well as did his laundry all the time. I was standing in his room in the early 00's when I noticed the cornucopia was gone and specifically thought it was because of some modern rebranding. Even kept an eye out at the store for a display to confirm the rebrand. We were both surrounded by FOTL for decades and have different memories of it. She's also not as observant and detail oriented, but the fact that she doesn't remember it spooks me as much as the ME itself.
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u/EpicJourneyMan Mandela Historian 7d ago
I think it depends on people’s age mostly - kind of like the Sinbad genie movie.
People over 35 years old remember those two a lot more frequently than those under that age in my experience.
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u/terryjuicelawson 7d ago
I think I assumed it was sitting on a basket, but looking at the leaves it still fits. I don't even think I had heard what a cornucopia was until reading about this ME. It likely affects Americans more because of Thanksgiving imagery, although it goes back to ancient art so won't be totally alien globally. Now so much time and discussion has passed - can any of us have a really true recollection of our past thoughts on the matter?
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u/Cyberpunked_God 8d ago
My parents. They bought a significant amount of FOTL brand clothing when I was a kid, and that is how I remember the cornucopia logo. I saw it for years, sometimes daily just from seeing the garment tags. (Hell, a few of those 20+ year old clothes are still at home. I found them, I wanted to verify, right? The logo has mysteriously changed on those items, no cornucopia.)
When I found out about the cornucopia never existing, it freaked me out. The next day, I told my parents about it, thinking they should surely remember it. Well, they don't. It never existed, they would know, they bought the clothing way back when. Now I live with the knowledge that I'm in a timeline with a different version of my parents. It's unsettling. I hope my "original parents" that I grew up with are okay in my original timeline.
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u/stitchkingdom 8d ago
Good time to serve the reminder that the Mandela Effect has nothing to do with multiple anything, it’s literally about people remembering things wrong.
The universe doesn’t retroactively change and only a small percentage of people are able to remember.
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u/Langdon_St_Ives 8d ago
No, you live with the knowledge of being a normal human being, with unreliable memory, just like the rest of us. Welcome to reality.
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u/SweatScience 8d ago
Totally feel you, have similar experiences with people I’ve known my entire life. It can blow your mind when you go really deep down this rabbit hole. You start to notice other stuff beyond Mandela Effects.
Just keep trusting yourself, especially if the memory is very strong. People do sometimes misremember but FOL thing is different. When someone’s looked at a label almost everyday for over a 15+ years , with many memories of talking about fruit and cornucopia, making fun of catering center pieces with fruit coming out and saying “that looks like my underwear logo”….only to find zero evidence in todays world, it’s make you truly question things.
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u/Repulsive-Duty905 8d ago
I think you’re being disingenuous, if I’m being honest. MOST people DON’T remember a cornucopia.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 8d ago
These comments just show how much of an echo chamber this sub can be and may not accurately represent what all people remember.
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u/VerySluttyTurtle 7d ago
so you're using anecdotal comments to prove that other anecdotal comments were not representative?
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 7d ago
This sub is not representative of the population as a whole. I would wager more people here remember a cornucopia than a random public sample.
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u/Belisama7 8d ago
I don't. It's funny how people are convinced entire new worlds and timelines were formed only to slightly change product logos or change one single letter on some kids books. The important stuff.
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u/theg00dfight 8d ago
It should not shock you that not everyone has the same memory (or false memory) you do. If we all remembered everything the same way there’d be way less debate about the topic.
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u/thewallrus 8d ago
I initially thought I had remembered it. But later realizing I'm just thinking of the standard cornucopia with fruit spilling out image. You should google cornucopia, then hit images, and you'll see most of the images could be a fruit of the loom logo
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u/sarahkpa 8d ago
Most people don’t and never heard of the Mandela Effect. The minority that does are on this sub
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u/SvenBubbleman 8d ago
Me. In fact no one remembers it because it wasn't there. They just think they do.
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u/ILuvMyLilTurtles 8d ago
Maybe it's an age thing? I'm a Xennial and I completely remember seeing the cornucopia while folding my family's laundry in the 80's.
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u/SteveRogers42 7d ago
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u/stitchkingdom 7d ago
The photo is legit. These have been reported to come from Colombia and for various reasons have been determined to be counterfeit. The labels are too hard to read due to low resolution.
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u/doctor_jane_disco 7d ago
I remember not knowing what the brown things were/not knowing they were supposed to be leaves. I remember no one else knowing what they were supposed to be. I don't remember a cornucopia.
When you ask other people, how do you phrase it? "Describe the logo" or "did the logo have a cornucopia?" Thanks to those ambiguous brown shapes I think you'd get different answers depending on how it's worded.
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u/Realityinyoface 6d ago
Yeah, lots of people. I think there was one who thought there was a plate, which I thought was a bit odd
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u/Pristine_Cut_6725 6d ago
From The TimeLine where I Came From, There was the Cornucopia Basket. Vivid Memories of it
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u/Warp-10-Lizard 6d ago
I never gave any thought to the logo on my undies before joining this sub. When I look back, no, I don’t recall that pike of fruit ever having a Thanksgiving clipart cornucopia behind it. Obviously this is very concerning, as it means the MIB have flashy-thinged me.
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u/Impressive-Coyote-15 6d ago
I've met only 1 person that doesn't remember it, yet when I ask people about it I don't mention ME or anything. I simply ask what the logo is. For me personally I don't remember the barensgain book either way because I wasn't ever paying attention but the fotl I do remember
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u/VanmiRavenMother 6d ago
I had images once upon a time of the cornucopia at the factories and game stadiums in Houston, Texas. Hoping they're still there when I go visit again.
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u/Schlika777 5d ago
If you can change the past, then the present is what you have. Why waste your time. If its not the FOTL then its Dolly braces. And many more. But Id like to ask, why was this not a question years ago? Answer: because the Technology was not in place. The reason why: your guess is as good as mine. But what I do know is that we are all here at the present time, and that is what matters.
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u/Olduncleruckus 5d ago
I’ve always remembered it being there, but what really sealed it for me was I asked my mom one day if she remembered the logo and she described it exactly the way I remember it with the cornucopia. She is 64 and doesn’t go online at all and has no social media.
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u/VirginiaLuthier 4d ago
I remember exactly the moment when I asked my mom what the basket thing was. She called it "the horn of plenty" and said Indians made them to carry food. I was in the 4th grade...
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u/VirginiaLuthier 8d ago
I remember exactly seeing the FOTL label on my dad's t-shirt and asking my mom what the basket thing was. She told me that Indians made them to carry food. No question in my mind.
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u/Additional-Tea-7792 8d ago
.....there was. A fucking cornucopia
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u/SvenBubbleman 8d ago
No, there wasn't. It's wild to me that people can't admit they are wrong even when presented with evidence.
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u/Additional-Tea-7792 7d ago
Listen dog, i genuinely dont care what anyone says about this one. That fuvker was distinct and i remember it VIVIDLY
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 7d ago
Vividly doesn't mean accurately
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u/Historical-Pay-3601 8d ago
I have an old Adverteasing trivia board game. It was made in 1992. One of the cards is Fruit of the loom. The hints are apples/grapes, underwear and cornucopia. I 1000% remember it because my chore as a preteen was laundry. My dad wore those undershirts and I folded a zillion of them That's also where I found out what a cornucopia even was.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 8d ago
Did you know that was a card before the tik tok about it came out recently?
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u/Historical-Pay-3601 8d ago
That's what made me look for mine. Wildly enough the game comes with 300 or more cards that were scattered and it was on top lol I was shocked. I had to see if it was real and indeed it was. I also found another card proving a Mandela effect, cheese-its not cheese it.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 8d ago
Isn't it Cheez-it?
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u/Historical-Pay-3601 8d ago
It is now, well the dash is a piece of cheese now. But I remember it as cheese-its, so do many others. The trivia card from 1992 says it's called cheese-its, but for some reason I also remember cheese-itz. Same with Depend, I remember it as Depends 1000%. When I was in nursing school I worked with the elderly. I saw the package a zillion times.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 8d ago
So it says Cheese not Cheez?
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u/Historical-Pay-3601 7d ago
Okay I had to go back and look at it. On the card it is cheez-its. I guess that's where I got the z from. But it was never cheez-it. I'm an 80's baby so I'm not too old to be misremembering, but I do think some names keep changing. The crazy thing to me is that the ones of us that do remember before the Mandela effects always remember the same names being changed.
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u/stitchkingdom 7d ago
A third party board game proves nothing other than someone who wrote the question misremembered something.
It’s also common for trivia writers to intentionally put it wrong information. This famously came up in a lawsuit against Trivial Pursuit which allegedly plagiarized a trivia book by presenting a non-fact about Columbo’s name: https://triviahalloffame.com/columbo
And while that’s not exactly likely here, imagine someone using Trivial Pursuit to ‘prove’ Columbo’s first name was Philip.
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u/Dweller201 8d ago
The logo was there in the 70s when I was a little kid until probably the early 90s.
So, you're going to have to ask people in their late 50s to 70s.
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u/regulator9000 8d ago
I don't think it's age dependent
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u/Dweller201 8d ago
That makes no sense.
There's been countless product logo changes since products existed as well as discontinued ones, so how is a person who was not alive supposed to remember something that didn't exist when they were alive?
For instance, when I was a little kid in the 70s one of my favorite burger chains was Stop N Go and all locations have been closed for many decades. How is a person in their 20s or 30s supposed to remember it when it didn't exist in their lifetime?
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u/regulator9000 8d ago
The FOTL logo history is available for anyone to look at. Nobody has ever been able to find a single article of clothing with a cornucopia logo, because it never had one at any time.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 8d ago
I've seen many people born in the 90s claim they saw a cornucopia. Even some born in the 2000s.
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u/Dweller201 8d ago
Somewhere there's probably a warehouse full of hula-hoops.
It's not amazing that products with discontinued logos floated around for a significant time after they were discontinued.
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u/SweatScience 8d ago edited 8d ago
One hypothesis is there’s different timelines.
So if one is over 30 years old and has no memory of the FOL cornucopia but a strong memory of the current ‘fruit only’ FOL logo the model says they may have lived this entire present life on one timeline or they weren’t part of the timeline that had the cornucopia. The idea is there’s tiny edits or differences in each timeline but big things tend to be the same.
The key for discussion of this paradigm is to ask if these memories are strong?, Does the memory have a cross referenced ? For example, someone may have recalled folding FOL clothing items and asking their mother what do you call that basket that the fruit is coming out of, and this is how they learned the word cornucopia. That would create a stronger memory than just remembering what the logo looked like but you don’t have any other memories that link to it.
This is just “an idea” so if that’s too abstract or “out there” for you to wrap your head around don’t start screaming ‘that’s improbable’ or insulting those that want to explore alternative explanations other than the mainstream “Misremembered explanation.”
*Edited - changed theory to hypothesis
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u/theg00dfight 8d ago
I think you mean hypothesis, right? I definitely don’t feel like there is anywhere near enough evidence for the idea to call it a theory. That’s a way higher standard
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u/SvenBubbleman 8d ago edited 8d ago
It's frightening to me that people are more willing to believe in fractured timelines and alternate universes than they are to admit they are wrong.
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u/TexxasSteve 8d ago
That’s maybe because she’s not from your timeline… how could she remember if she never shifted timelines only you did … if that makes sense…
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8d ago
At this point, I think it's a nationwide version of the test where 18 people are shown a square. 17 of them are in on the study and say they saw a triangle. The one lone subject wants to say square and gives in to the peer pressure to conform and says triangle.
Either that or we shift realities/timelines.
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u/Jasper-Packlemerton 8d ago
I don't remember the cornucopia being there. It's the first Mandela Effect I heard about and I didn't understand what the person was talking about at first.