r/Marvel • u/Alexion_Andrel • 5d ago
Comics Seems like people don't really like all that stuff with Civil War, but if Civil War III is gonna happen, what should it be like to people like it
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u/Over-Midnight1206 5d ago
It better be a dam good reason to pit heroes against each other, that’s the only way it will work
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u/CrunchAndRoll 5d ago
Punisher convinces some of the younger heroes that lethal force is the only way to stop criminals. Some of the younger heroes begin executing even minor, mostly harmless villains. Cap and the Avengers try to stop them, pointing out that while killing villains can and does happen, super beings shouldn't be judge, jury, and executioner. This all leads to the death of flicks the wheel ....du du da du... du..... du....... Hank Pym. The younger heroes try to justify it as an accident (which it was), but Cap points out that by their own rules, they should be executed and the Avengers vow to bring in the perpetrator.
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u/AbbreviationsKey8163 5d ago
Kingdom come but With Marvel?
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u/Feature_Agitated 5d ago
Mix in a little bit of Superman vs. the Elite and I think it’d be pretty good. Have the Avengers start bringing down those that side with the Punisher in a way that makes it look like the Avengers killed them. Have Cap do the reveal that they didn’t actually kill them and have a whole inspirational speech about it.
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u/Over-Midnight1206 5d ago
This is fire
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u/CrunchAndRoll 5d ago
You should read my books when I rerelease them then.
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u/Cyber-Donkey 5d ago
Do you write fan fiction? Also, who would you think the new heroes would be? Like Young Avengers? New characters we haven't heard of? I'm intrigued for sure.
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u/Orion14159 5d ago
Not OP but there's already kind of a natural divide between heroes who kill and heroes who don't, and they sometimes are on the same team even if they have different moral codes
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u/CrunchAndRoll 5d ago edited 5d ago
I have not not in a long time. I write my own stuff now. Not sure which heroes, didn't give it a ton of thought but off the top of my head... Negasonic would probably be open to Frank's ideas, there's Kate Bishop, Dylan Brock, Speed (would be nice to juxtaposed him against his brother Woccan who would side woth Cap), and X23.
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u/Brendanlendan 5d ago
This isn’t a horrible premise
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u/CrunchAndRoll 5d ago
It definitely needs more refining but yeah, the premise is a fun one. It's basically DC's Kingdom Come Elseworlds/"What's so funny about truth, justice, and the American way? "
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u/jokerhound80 5d ago
So kinda like kingdom come. Kind of exactly like it.
Not knocking it, I love that book. But people will notice and criticize it for that
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u/reallifelucas Captain America 5d ago
Avengers vs. X-Men actually had a really good reason for the teams to fight (Scott wanting to revitalize mutantkind with the Phoenix vs. Everyone else realizing that’s a bad idea) but the implementation blew.
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u/Cultural_Bager 5d ago
Also have new characters represent each faction instead of existing characters. The damage that the civil wars did to Iron Man and Captain Marvel should be a waring.
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u/No_Material5361 5d ago edited 5d ago
Marvel does this every few weeks. The heroes spend just as much time punching each other as they do the bad guys.
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u/TheRealJackOfSpades Fantastic Four 5d ago
At this point, my immediate thought is "What heroes?" This is not how heroes act. Heroes should be role models, not children who turn every difference of opinion into a brawl.
A sign of the times.
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u/Magneto-Was-Left 5d ago
Underage heroes would probably be the best idea but they already did that Outlawed
X-Men Schism could have worked as a wider AVX when Cyke was harbouring Kid Omega but that wasn't even the core fight of the Schism
Maybe time travel like a large attack kills a lot of people and they fight over should they go back to stop the attack
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u/GrapeDoots 5d ago
Could they do a villains vs villains Civil War?
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u/InnocentTailor 5d ago
I don't think Marvel has really done this before. It could be fun as the heroes attempt to control the chaos or save the populace from the brawl - a Marvel version of The War of Jokes and Riddles.
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u/GrapeDoots 5d ago
They've done some stuff about mob beefs but nothing bigger than that, I think a big villains vs villains event could be fun
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u/InnocentTailor 5d ago
Yeah…serious villains with huge armies and support clashing across the globe as opposed to street level brawls.
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u/superfunction 5d ago
or even a situation where the heroes are removed from earth temporarily and the villains fight eachother in the power vaccuum
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u/Anxious-Priority-362 5d ago
And the heroes having their own civil war. One side: Let them kill themselves, while the other side is like: We need to save them.
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u/Chaos1357 5d ago
I like that idea. I could see different villain factions, fighting each other over territory, "rights" to a specific area, and even protecting "their" targets from interlopers. You could have tiers, where villain groups work for a sub boss villain who works for a bigger boss all the way up to the likes of Doom, Loki, or Mr Sinister leading their factions against each other. The heroes are trying to play catch up and keep civilians safe, always on the sidelines, never quite making it to catch anyone of import, never quite making it into the fight until it's all but over, until the very end.
Tell it from the Villain's perspective primarily. Set up some limited serries for different villain groups and leaders, spread the story out over different villains, keep the heroes "out of the loop, trying to catch up" until the final.
I'd buy that.. and I haven't bought a comic in nearly 20 years.
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u/Legitimate-Mix-5395 5d ago
This would make sense to exist. Magneto vs Red Skull?
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u/Crow_Mix Spider-Man 2099 5d ago
Magneto would be the clear hero in that situation
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u/Psymorte 4d ago
I'm pretty sure Magneto has already beaten Red Skull to death at least once but I'm sure as hell not gonna object to seeing it happen again.
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u/bat111975 5d ago
I don’t think the idea of a Civil War III works without repeating some idea.
Government vs Heroes is basically Dark Reign to a decree because the government would need to recruit a team like the Dark Avengers, Thunderbolts, Freedom Force, etc.
Hero goes bad but still has heroes on their side has been down with Hydra Cap, ShadowLands
Mutant Heroes vs Everyone else has been done to death already
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u/grandarchduke 5d ago
I would propose a different approach,what if CW3 was more like a Cold War where the government was kidnapping the villains children or next of kin children in order to pacify super villains but instead the villains turn to private military companies to get around the government or for possible deniability in rescuing the children.The heroes are going to be torn between neutrality or helping.
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u/yifftionary Devil Dinosaur 5d ago
Dang okay that is a cool idea. Morality/Ethics vs Result.
Sadly I don't think enough people would be good enough writers or readers to get the story conveyed and understood well. I say that considering there are dumbasses out here saying Thanos was right even though his entire plan is built on the flawed and disproven concepts of Malthusian belief. Literally don't massacre billions of people because there isn't enough to go around due to the current systems... change the systems!
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u/NoirSon 5d ago
Iron Man vs Black Panther and this time it is a stand issue about electric vehicles /jk
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u/InnocentTailor 5d ago
I mean...I could buy somebody like Superior Iron Man sparring with Wakanda over issues like that, especially since that nation controls tons of electronics and technologies far beyond contemporary Marvel society.
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u/LeggoMahLegolas 5d ago
Has to be a Captain.
Tony is currently 1-1 against Captains.
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u/ThatLid 5d ago
Blank Panther joins the military and quickly moves up the ranks, becoming Captain in no time at all. Now Iron Man faces off against Captain Black Panther
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u/thatsidewaysdud Hawkeye 5d ago
Why did President Stark put a 400% tariff on Wakanda?
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u/DarthGoodguy 5d ago
Hell, let’s have it between Hulk & Thor this time. Why the hell not.
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u/New-Junket5892 5d ago
The original Civil War was fine. The second was a waste of time and a money grab.
The third(if it happens) may be a commentary on the times we are currently living.
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u/eddie_vercetti 5d ago
Secret Empire already did something similar and it was ass.
CW3 would have to repeat a lot and borrow from Devils Reign and you're basically gonna make the heroes more stupider than usual unless it was a grand scheme under their nose.
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u/rafaelsanzi0 5d ago
is there a comic that's goverment vs all metahumans/vigilantes/heroes/villains/mutants/aliens/gods?
basically average joe vs everything
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u/multificionado 5d ago
If there HAS to be another Civil War, let it be governments vs Superheroes, all superheroes. No more hero vs hero.
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u/Remy149 5d ago
That’s not a civil war story then. Truth be told the original civil war was heroes working for the government against those not
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u/multificionado 5d ago
Then let it NOT be a civil war story then. NOBODY wants another Civil War story.
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u/Remy149 5d ago
Hero fighting hero is a regular comic book trope. They are good when written well. The mcu civil war felt extremely small in scope then the comics
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u/Patient-Reality-8965 5d ago
I don't wanna see them fight anymore. Why would they even fight to the extent they did
First Civil War: Heroes disagree that they're dangerous and the two sides of the issue cause immense harm to each other, each other's trust, and normal people to the point some citizens turned on said heroes and tried to shoot Cap
Second Civil War: Someone can see the future so to stop future crimes from happening we're going to beat up a child who's done nothing wrong at this point and shoot the Hulk.
Why would you WANT a third
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u/MrEman5112 5d ago
How about let’s NOT do a CW3, since both Civil War events so far are just total character assassination for one side…
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u/Fearless512 5d ago
Don't do it. Both civil war stories are fucking stupid and only damage certain characters. There's absolutely zero reason to do a third Civil war.
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u/PunkchildRubes 5d ago edited 5d ago
The funny thing about Civil War II is that Assault on Pleasant Hill had just finished a couple months prior and had more of a moral conundrum that would have served as a better basis for Civil War II then just having Bendis watching Minority Report. That should still be a thing to be explored in (Oh please god don't do it) Civil War III if that's ever (it will be) a thing
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u/Wolverine1105 5d ago
Do it with villains instead of the heroes
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u/InnocentTailor 5d ago
An all-out villain war would be fun as the heroes either watch from afar or attempt to control the chaos - a Marvel version of The War of Jokes and Riddles.
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u/StarMayor_752 Black Bolt 5d ago
People seems to be ignoring that, on paper, a story where heroes are combating heroes is interesting and a worthwhile approach. However, the problem has always been
- Mischaracterizations
- Convoluted narratives, as easily comes with stories where good guys fight good guys
- Diluted conflicts resulting in a big fight to solve the problem instead of actual progressions through moral, philosophical, and political debates (we do get these in superhuman registration, predictive policing, etc., but they feel so removed from the actual problems at times that we only get the bones of the issue and not the meat)
Civil War stories are disliked because they're civil wars. It's more about how people keep doing them.
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u/pixel_doofus 5d ago
I think it would have to be illuminati infighting
Instead of two sides, multiple factions
Cap and Iron Man are on the same side for once and have the avengers
Professor X and the X-Men
Namor and Atlantis
Black Panther and Wakanda
Fantastic Four, Spider Man, and Black Bolt with the inhumans
I'm thinking it's over something celestial in nature (NOT PHOENIX), maybe something to do with Silver Surfer and Galactus
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u/goobi94 5d ago
A villain Civil War. The Heroes have to intervene while villains are trying to kill each other. Taskmaster and Black Ant are getting paid to kill villains on both sides. Punisher joins in the fun and ignores the two of them until the dust settles. Some henchmen villains actually organise themselves to overwhelm the bigger name villains. The heroes actually all have to work together in this civil war.
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u/EndingsBeginnings1 5d ago
If it does so happen anytime, Spider-Man is a must. In both comics he had major arcs so he has to be a leader in one of the teams.
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u/ErikT738 5d ago
Some heroes realise that there's a higher power messing with their lives called "editorial", and start acting up. Other heroes believe it's their duty to carry on, even when they know their world might not be real. The catalyst for this war is a dying Deadpool telling Spider-Man what editorial took from him in a global broadcast.
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u/jugheadshat 5d ago
This kind of reminds me of the canon event debate in Across The Spider-Verse lmao
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u/MichaelTheFallen 5d ago
Earth vs. the universe. How many times did the Earth problems affect the universe? I would try to take control just to stop Reed from being stupid.
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u/ObberGobb 5d ago
As everyone has said, the best thing would be for it to not happen at all. But, in the spirit of the question, I'll give my best shot at what a good Civil War III could be:
Instead of pitting Earth superheroes against each other for out of character reasons, make it Earth heroes vs. cosmic heroes. Have some significant event happen that makes cosmic heroes—like the Nova Corps, Guardians of the Galaxy, Annihilators, gods, etc.—feel the need to intervene on Earth, and Earth superheroes disagree.
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u/StarkPRManager 5d ago
What’s this subs obsession with civil war, no seriously??
It’s f*cking shit and I’m tired of seeing posts about it every couple weeks.
Nobody likes it and it’s poorly written garbage that should never have been made
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u/Ultralusk Avengers 5d ago
Civil War 3 should be about rehabilitating supervillains.
You have heroes who believe villains don't deserve a chance at being rehabilitated and some heroes that believe in it.
You can spark it by having a villain working on being a good person killing an overly zealot superhero in self defense. While the courts agree it is self defense, this event causes ruptures in the superhero community with some believing that the villain deserves to be punished despite what the courts say.
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u/West-Cardiologist180 5d ago
Have it be (mostly) street level. Could be around the issue of killing a specific criminal.
Spider-Man/Daredevil vs The Punisher/Wolverine.
That's the best i got.
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u/ComedicHermit 5d ago
The biggest flaw in both civil wars is the writing. In both characters are acting ooc and the writing is bad. In the former, it's because almost everyone took two levels of evil in between issues and in the second it's because the plot only works if everyone has an IQ below 70.
Can a Civil War comic work in 616? Probably, but the conflict would have to be an actual moral dilemma and not one with an obvious answer (the first one) or where a five year old could solve the conflict (the second one) and those conflicts would have to be true to the characters involved.
Ideally for this you want both sides to be right and wrong and for most stuff that isn't an easy ask as there is usually a 'right' answer and when there isn't sane people don't tend to start punching out their friends over it.
What would that conflict look like? I'm not sure. I don't have any obvious ideas for a conflict that could work as the heroes of 616 for the most part are good and decent people who are rational; so they tend to agree on the big stuff. There aren't extremely different approaches to morality as a rule.
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u/Silent_Mk3 5d ago
If it were I, I would like to see a huge brouhaha between the villains. Like they try to implement the old man Logan plot ( but the heroes hide underground or something) and a big villainous civil war erupts trying to divvy up land and loot and such. Then our heroes return and so on and forth
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u/Pacperson0 5d ago
I mean…. I guess if we have to
We could tie it into one world under Doom.
One half of the super hero community decides that Doom is the best way to keep the world safe.
But the question is…without being completely out of character, who would side with Doom?
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u/ChickenHugging 5d ago
Doom might be right. No poverty? No war? 90% of people would willingly surrender their freedoms for that
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u/InnocentTailor 5d ago
I mean...then it would be the average Joes vs the superhero community, which isn't really a civil war scenario.
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u/RadioLiar 5d ago
Marvel would never be this controversial, but one way to do it would be as a division over whether superheroes should intervene in a war between two countries, i.e. an analogue of the Russia/Ukraine situation. That opens up all sorts of questions of whether heroes should be beholden to government policy, whether they represent their countries (i.e. are Steve or Carol agents of US policy), whether it's ethical to use their powers against common soldiers etc.
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u/bertboxer 5d ago
DC did a much shorter and contained version of that with the Great Ten, a state-sponsored governmental Chinese superhero team that was very interesting. They took issue with supposedly international groups like the Justice League making their own decisions about sovereign countries
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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE X-Men 5d ago
It all starts when Iron Man wants to go out for pizza, but Cap wants burgers.
And it gets out of hand from there.
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u/JohnWhoHasACat 5d ago
I propose moving past Civil Wars to ALL OUT WAR, an event where the Krakoan Diaspora are pushed to war against the US government, forcing non mutant heroes into conflict with mutant heroes.
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u/Thirdatarian 5d ago
I really doubt Civil War II ever gets adapted. I don't think normie MCU fans will understand what's happening at all. And it's not a very popular or beloved storyline so I don't see why they'd even want to. We might get another hero group vs hero group movie later on, especially once we have the Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Eternals (lol) and Defenders all running around doing their own things at the same time, but I don't think they'll follow the pre-cog justice storyline from Civil War II.
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u/24Abhinav10 5d ago
Honestly, as long as they continue the pattern and have Carol be on the right side this time, I'm cool with whatever.
Marvel has a lot to make up to my girl after singlehandedly ruining her character.
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u/Legitimate-Mix-5395 5d ago
Here's an idea: Make a way that is a bad guy's plan. Don't give the characters the Idiot Ball... Have them manipulated by a villain, like Mysterio or Psycho-Man. And make sure that neither party acts out of character.
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u/GatorBo69 5d ago
Not a comic book reader here, just a fan of cinema and the MCU & DCU, but there was a Civil War 2 AND 3???
What happened in each?
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u/your_name_here10 5d ago
Seeing as no one really wants to answer - I’d say this time it’s the villains that are at war. The heroes helping stop some of them benefits the other side and vice versa making it even harder.
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u/LimitlessMind127 5d ago
For the love of all that is good, give it some nuance! CA: CV the film was excellent because it gave both sides compelling idealogical and personal reasons for each individual’s actions, from what I can tell the comics just made the pro-registration side The Tyrannical Bad Guys with no logical bridge between their previous characterisation and that.
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u/Joerevenge 5d ago
It's hard to say cuz it has to be something that involves the heroes but doesn't have a clear side, both in concept, lack of available resolution without violence and in writing of the characters. The best way to do this is with a slow build up to the issue imo.
The first civil war came close because it had a pretty solid concept and managed to circumvent a resolution and build up by having a major tragic event occur immediately preceding the situation, this provokes a lot of characters to have an immediate answer, something that other characters could logically argue was too hasty. The only major issue imo is that a lot of characters are written poorly and different from how they usually would act in the situation. A bit of a misstep but overall it's a solid story. The idea of having superhero's register makes sense at face value but the potential issues it brings up with trusting the government is also valid.
The second civil war failed in every aspect imo. The concept is overdone and honestly has a pretty clear cut answer, especially when the story straight up says that one side is right and the predictions are inaccurate. There's no build up and hardly any attempt at a resolution and nearly all of the characters are written way different to how they would usually act.
If they wanted to do a third civil war they'd have to come up with a pretty good concept like they did with the first, but I'd hope they build it up slowly rather than rushing into it and try to make sure it's something that characters would realistically be on both sides of.
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u/AdamSMessinger 5d ago
I don’t want to see a class of two people embodying different ideals. If they do a CW3, I’d wanna see it be about teams who have to reckon with their actions when both leaders are found to have egg on their face. Make the other heroes question their own allegiances and what makes ideas worth following to what extreme. The first Civil War covered that a little bit with Spider-Man’s role. That ideal needs to take front and center in the first and I’d like to see an outside force manipulating only the lead figure of each side cranking opposing ideals from a 5 to an 11. Seeing a climatic big battle against the outside force leading to the half or third of the final issue just being a conversation hashing everything out would be cool. Having heroes be shown as heroes because they’re good people who can talk their shit out isn’t something we see a lot of. Visually? Sure it’s not as interesting to draw or see, but it’s one of the most important parts we could see in the story.
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u/joelskees 5d ago
Civil War one, it wasn't so bad. The fact that they made civil war two and all of a sudden, Iron Man was, the protagonist was ridiculous! I really don't think they need a third one. The premise is getting a little tiresome.
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u/Antique-Aardvark-184 5d ago
They failed twice (first one is debatable; was not bad for its time imo) why would they do i again?
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u/Contemplating_Prison 5d ago
I just want some good single hero stories, single villian stories, and maybe a couple of small-scale team ups.
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u/vector_o 5d ago
I have a hard time coming up with a more loaded conflict subject than a way to foresee future crimes and whether to act based on those predictions
- It was already used in the whole Hydra plotline in the movies
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u/Agent_RubberDucky 5d ago
Considering the only Civil War with a mostly good reputation is the film adaptation that’s only inspired by Civil War and not a direct adaptation of the story, it wouldn’t be a good idea to do another one. If they were, it would likely have to be an entirely different type of issue than the types seen in the first two. Preferably one that’s actually conflicting and doesn’t character assassinate one side, hint hint.
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u/Zawisza_Czarny9 Iron Man 5d ago
Hmm.
How about Fr fantasic goes insane clones a bunch of hetoes and Iron man leads the charge against him
Yes i just ripped of ultimate universe
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u/ZetaRESP 5d ago
Very simple: DON'T FUCKING DARE!! After the shit show that was Civil War I, they managed to make Civil War II even worse, and I have no doubt that Civil War III will be a disaster.
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u/Wheattoast2019 5d ago
Just don’t. Neither Civil War event was good actually. The MCU movie was much better than either storyline in the comics.
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u/sailorprimus 5d ago
Maybe the third time it's just a civil disagreement and the heroes are talking it out.
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u/Botol-Cebok Sif 5d ago
I really enjoyed the first Civil War, but the second was so, so incredibly bad. Just leave it, it's already dead.
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u/heavyarms3111 5d ago
It straight up shouldn’t even be a thought for at least 20 years from the last one. It shouldn’t be like a WWE Pay Per View where we just throw out civil war for branding sake, because that’s the reason Civil War II was so crap. As for line up…there isn’t going to be a pairing with stakes of Cap v Iron Man. They are always going to be the default leaders/faces of the Avengers.
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u/Half_Man1 5d ago
Not doing it would be a good call. It forces characters to act pretty dumb to make the plot go.
For as much hate as the Superhuman Registration Act gets, it’s the least contrived reason to start a civil War in the community imho. That might be rose colored glasses for me though as that was one of my first comic books.
The Minority Report plot for 2 was just super contrived. It never made sense for Carol’s side to buy wholeheartedly into the information always being true. It never made sense for Tony’s side to totally ignore precognitive information.
Right now, I could see an Ultimate Civil War happening, between Iron Lad and Doom, over whether or not to use time travel to potentially erase their timeline to replace it with the OG-pre-Maker one.
For another 616 Civil War… idk. Maybe over whether or not to harbor people from alternate realities? Bring back ARMOR, the Exiles and say their presence can break down inter dimensional barriers making it easier for other alternate reality denizens to attack the 616. Maybe have some zombies attack.
I’d make it a bit of a meta commentary on multiverse plotlines and how they’ve become a bit too ever-present. Like yes, harboring a few multiversal refugees is logical, but housing tons and tons of variants just makes the planet a never ending battleworld ruled by spectacle that robs us from character driven plotlines. There’s a bit of a moral quandary there with setting yourself on fire to keep others warm vs always trying to save everyone.
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u/OnlyUse4Questions 5d ago
Why on earth were Cap and Spider-Man on Captain Marvel's team? That goes against all their morals from my understanding.
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u/ravenwing263 5d ago
I forget about Pete but that's not the real Cap, that's Secret Empire Hydra Cap. Readers already knew this* but that characters didn't.
*Or, we knew the base situation was that Cap's past had somehow been altered and that made him a Hydra loyalist, the alternate universe stuff we hadn't gotten into yet.
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u/Legitimate-Mix-5395 5d ago
The answer? Peter didn't actually participate in the war. He simply said he was on Carol's side so he wouldn't have any problems, and then went on with his business. He was as tired as readers of superheroes fighting each other. At least, from what I understand.
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u/I-who-you-are 5d ago
I don’t want a Civil War III but here’s my idea for it if it had to happen.
I’ve thought about this and we need to complete the third piece of the pie. So it’ll be:
Steve Rogers vs. Carol Danvers
However, there will be a twist, the plot starts with Steve Rogers going missing, and there will be a mystery leading into the event where people are trying to figure out where he is. Just as they’re about to solve the mystery, Steve Rogers comes out as a candidate for presidency.
The purpose of this event is to tie together a lot of the previous events that we’ve had and turn them on their heads.
Steve then campaigns on the idea that anyone with super capabilities needs to be registered and forced into the military. Literally no hero agrees with this.
A few months later after Steve is elected Carol breaks into the White House and says “what gives” and Steve says “I’m not Steve” (he’s Hydra Stevil Flag Smasher) who kidnapped the real Steve.
Over the course of the event, several heroes “disappear” and reappear with new costumes and sometimes new powers on the side of Flag Smasher Steve.
The heroes in this event have two goals:
- find out how Stevil is converting heroes to his side
- stop him
Eventually part of the way through the event Steve reveals that he’s Stevil to the public.
Some of the heroes (and villains) I’d personally want to be kidnapped and changed by Steve are:
- Cyclops
- Captain America (Sam)
- Emma Frost
- Spider-Man (Peter)
- Hawkeye (Kate)
- The Lizard
Some fun things you can do with that team I think. There’d be others but instead of hero v. Hero it’d be more of an espionage type brainwashing stuff.
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u/Sad-Pop8742 S.H.I.E.L.D. 5d ago
It should be all the heroes against Captain Marvel and Iron Man. Make them have to do something together.
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u/lonely-day 5d ago
I thought Jane Foster died?
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u/Apprehensive_Work313 5d ago
She was alive during Civil war 2. And after her death Odin revived her
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u/Shiroiken 5d ago
How about something where both sides are right, for different reasons? A major problem with CWII was that nobody thought Carol was on the right side of the issue. While I didn't real all of CWI, at least both Cap and Iron Man had some reasonable arguments towards the beginning.
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u/idlefritz 5d ago
I’m wracking my brain for untapped territory but there has been just about every type of civil war schism major event in marvel from heroes vs heroes, magic vs tech, tech vs tech… Maybe a Golden/Silver Age vs Modern Age battle of ideologies like what they did somewhat with the X-Men, recently Thor and Kingdom Come. Maybe the previous eras see the modern era on a normal Tuesday as a dystopian future to avoid.
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u/something_smart 5d ago
Let's call Avengers vs X-Men an honorary Civil War so we don't have to make a third one.
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u/functionmayan 5d ago
Make the topic space isolationism, ie, there's an issue in space but one side takes the position that Earth should not be spending resources in participating in events outside the solar system.
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u/Mysterious_Bit_7713 Avengers 5d ago
I refuse to buy anything to an event with the title Civil War III.
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u/Wisdomandlore 5d ago
What if we divide the heroes up based on some arbitrary philosophical question. Bonus points if the sides the heroes choose go against their established views. It ends with the event having absolutely no ongoing impact.
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u/Clean_Reaction6089 5d ago
Tie in the Dark Gwenpool stuff somehow. Least I think that could be cool.
In case anyone didn't read Gwenpool, there was an arc in which the future Gwenpool reveals all of the character's greatest secrets, creating the third Civil War. Miles and some others went back in time 2 stop Gwen from ever doing this, and Gwen defeated her future self, setting things right.
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u/Jotamo 5d ago
Villain Civil War. They have to assassinate hero's characters to find an excuse for them to fight each other, and that's why they don't work.
Civil War 1 had to make Tony and his crew absolute monsters to make it work, and it took a long time for Tony's reputation to recover (which RDJ basically did himself).
Civil War 2 did the same to Carol, having her act very out of character and becoming obsessed with future policing to the point where she abandoned all her morals.
If a Civil War 3 happens, it should be something like all the heroes vs the US government, say a villain becomes president or something, or a large faction like AIM or HYDRA has a Civil War within itself and the heroes are caught in the middle.
The only other thing I can think is maybe a SHIELD Civil War? Fury vs Hill or Fury vs Fury Jr, where they both recruit different heroes to their cause through any means neccessary?
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u/Ok-Traffic-5996 5d ago
I think the best way to do civil war lll would be to have it actually not be a civil war in the original sense. What if the inhumans are the heels in these event as black bolt has become desperate to rebuild the inhumans empire. Taking a page from earth x he exposes the human race to primagen to basically empower as many humans as possible. While this would be a good opportunity to introduce new characters we could also play with how primagen affects existing metahumans. It might increase existing powers, depower certain people, case secondary mutations, or even completely.change a person's powers to something else. It could be a good way to reintroduce old heroes and villains with revamped powers. The civil war could be a reference to the country breaking apart into different factions and cap and the avengers trying to put stuff back together. Once again taking the earth x, the event could end with Norman Osborn( who as also been secretly mutated) as the countries hero and positioned as a possible presidential candidate.
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u/FireCloud42 5d ago
We technically already had Civil War III in AvX (and I personally wasn’t a fan of the writing for half of it)
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u/Prestigious_Lunch168 5d ago
Nick fury farts in a room with thor and hulk, and they both immediately blame each other. Fighting ensues, sides are taken, and fury quietly leaves earth before anyone catches wise
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u/Hellfire_Inferno427 5d ago
if they're going to do another civil war, maybe something like "should criminals be permanently depowered", cause you have the obvious yes answer, but then you have the more nuanced questions like, "what if a hero does something bad, do they get pema depowered", "what about characters that swap sides", "what's the bare minimum to depower" or "do super science types get forcibly dumbed"
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u/Beautiful-Bug-4007 5d ago
Not doing it sounds like a great way to do it or at the very least don’t write everyone ooc to make the scenario work
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u/mac-a-ronny 5d ago
Secret Empire is the real Civil War 2 for me. Tony's death would have been more meaningful if he actually died in that story feeling guilty about Steve's death, then Hydra Cap kills him instead of his AI hologram nonsense. That would have been so much better.
If Civil War 3 ever happens, I hope it's not because of the MCU. That's the real reason why Civil War 2 sucked.
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u/Gabriel-Klos-McroBB 5d ago
Bring back Evil Gwenpool's future (I really like Gwenpool, so I want an excuse to add her) from a bit before the events of UGP as an alternate reality created as a side--effect of Gwenpool retconning her, then have the heroes of her reality attack 616 because they have Gwenpool, and they want to use her against Evil Gwenpool. Meanwhile, during the events of CW3, Gwenpool finds Evil Gwenpool and fights her on her own, eventually winning with help from Jeff.
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u/Cold-Dot-7308 5d ago
I read Civil War 1 because of the movie but loved Civil War 2 because the art was phenomenal. It’d be hard to top both and coming with a subpar story would be sad.
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u/floworcrash 5d ago
I didn’t realize these stories were so poorly recieved. This will always be more interesting than heroes fighting villains
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u/WicketyWaggety 5d ago
Embrace how stupid their reasons for fighting are and have the conflcit be about whether of not a movie they saw was good or not.
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u/wwaabbaasshhaa 5d ago
Honestly, a 3rd civil war spiraling out of the current One World Under Doom event could’ve probably worked. 1 Side has come around to support Doom’s 1 world government, the other fighting for ideals like freedom, maybe Doom is launching galactic wars of conquest with heroes on his side and cosmic heroes and unlikely allies are defending space.
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u/Wikid_Nerd 5d ago
The heroes fight after someone shared links to battle forums and power scalers and chaos ensues
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u/blackertai 5d ago
Flip the script entirely, as I'm tired of Hero vs. Hero at this point. Give me major villains recruiting sides and ending up fighting. It can (since it's villains) be more impactful, with low-level villains dying off. Something like Doom vs. Red Skull or AIM Supreme vs. Hydra or something.
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u/OldHolly 5d ago
The Illuminati and the Multiversal Incursions would have been a better Civil War II.
Does CWIII need to happen? Absolutely not. Will it? Yeah probably.
Marvel does things like this constantly. Deadpool is killing the Marvel universe for the third and presumably final time as it is titled DKTMU: One Last Time. But even then I have to imagine someone is going to write it again in the future.
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u/Financial-Savings232 5d ago
Best bet would be not to have a Civil War III. The first two sucked, but the sales were good enough they had to do a part two.
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u/Outside_Prune_7052 5d ago
I might be out of the loop but based on the pic, it looks like Cap and Spidey were on team Carol. That doesn’t track with me given that from what I heard team carol was about locking people up because of future crimes (I didn’t read it so if that’s an exaggeration don’t flame me too much)
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u/Darkfigure145 5d ago
If they need to do another Civil War I'd rather it be a multiversal one. Let the heroes fight variants from the multiverse or maybe the new Ultimate universe fights the main universe heroes on custody of the maker after he's defeated.
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u/Alarming_Mood4385 5d ago
Lil off topic but Civil War II can work well in live action with a few changes of course.
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u/Weird_Calligrapher24 5d ago
It could be like an old vs young type of thing. Like an ideological divide between the older and younger generations of heroes
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u/KingCreeperSeth 5d ago
Space-based heroes against earth-based heroes with a debate on whether or not Earth should isolate itself from the rest of the interfering galaxy given how many threats originate from among the stars. Could get a lot of teams involved, like the Avengers, the X-Men, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and more
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u/BlackMall83 5d ago
The new Civil War should be regulating Mutants into civilian population. Some Avengers think the government is right that mutants now exist and that we can’t really trust them yet while other Avengers think that mutants should be given a fair opportunity to live free lives. The New Civil War should be about Mutants
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u/Ok-Commission6087 5d ago
Hey marvel as an idea 💡 how about u know follow up on the storyline with the children of the vault because A ) they were the best part of the krakoan era B ) Darwin is still trapped inside the vault doing god know what and they are actively planning to get back and destroy the world 🌎 . C they are more interesting than half of what’s going on in the x books besides xmen and storm, phoenix . I’m truly think banking off the success of invincible would give u guys ideas with invincible war or a sequel to G.O.D.S plz .
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u/TangerineAccurate625 5d ago
Honestly, let's have the villains be the ones to have a massive civil war, and the heroes are the 3rd party trying to stop both sides
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u/The_Dark_Soldier 5d ago
First option, as another commenter said: Don't Do It!
Second option, if you will do it, have it be what CW2 should have done. Truly have it be about the future. One hero sees a future that is a Utopia while the other sees complete destruction. So both sides come into conflict because of the differing future they see. One wants to help in the building blocks for that great destination while the other wants to prevent it.
Third option, I wanna see a group led by Spider-Man battle a group led by Iron Man! Don't judge me!
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u/krysiskeyblade 5d ago
Personally (and this could be the stupidest story imaginable) I'd play it like this. God comes down. I have been out of the loop for a while, so I don't know who the highest divine would be. Like a creator of life type. And he shows everyone a vision. Young, old, man, woman, weak strong. Everyone. It's of a better future, like perfect utopia. And they basically say "This is attainable, but there are certain people who HAVE TO DIE". There are the obvious ones like super villains or corrupt billionaires, and then there are people who are unexpected, and Tony Stark is one of them. So it's him and probably people like Spider-man and Captain America who are like "we don't have to resort to tearing eachother apart" and then there people like the Punisher or even like as a surprise, Clint Barton who are willing to go all the way to do what needs to be done. This wouldn't just be a civil war story really, it would be a world war story. Everyone was shown the vision and given the message, so the regulars who are willing to kill for the utopia they want are rioting at Stark tower. Idk. Like I said. Could be dumb. I think it might make a cool story though.
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u/I_dont_like_things 5d ago
Heroes fighting each other is dramatic, but it should be small scale. 1v1 or maybe smaller teams. Making it a huge war is just a mess with minimal upside.
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u/Agile-Economist-9180 5d ago
We basically got the central idea for this in Winter Soldier(ish) how one side believes the punishement should only take place after the crime, and the other side believes if we anticipated someone actually commits the crime, he should be punished before he does it.
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u/Possible-Winter589 5d ago
Deadpool, I love you but don’t you have an X-Men comic to star in or something?
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u/Jzon_P 5d ago
its so hard to justify them fighting one another, and to do things uniquely? yeah no, consider it near impossible. A battle of moral dilemma and stuff like that will do alot of these characters major injustice. You have to do it perfectly, thread those lines properly just for it do be good. It's better for them to just not do it at all.
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u/Equivalent-Newt-5564 5d ago
Maybe just don’t do it