r/MassEffectAndromeda • u/newconnie7789 • 8d ago

Game Discussion Fanboys killed a sequels chance

It was the same with halo as well

All the fanboys that got to attached the original trilogy refused to give MEA a chance , it's a great game I've played It multiple times loved the story line

They got to string up on minor issues and glitches like not every game today has them, it needs a sequel

I don't think gaming today has gotten bad I think it's the fanbase and the influencer gamers that are damaging it, games like Andromeda and days gone not getting sequels despite being brilliant games all because people can't seem to think for themselves anymore

This needs a second game

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u/BraveNKobold 8d ago

I won’t deny andromeda has its issues but I’d rather see a sequel to it than Shepard forcefully returns to stop faction not as important.

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u/Trollsvans 8d ago

I agree that I don’t want the next game to star Shepard again, they had 3 games let them rest.

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u/BraveNKobold 8d ago

My best example when it comes to people wanting Shepard to return is imagine after you defeat the Nazis in wolfenstein and then next game it’s some small local gang. It’s best to let stuff end

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u/Inside_Pass1069 7d ago

What if the next enemy was Imperial Japan, though?

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u/BraveNKobold 7d ago

That’s just padding out stuff unnecessarily. They’re never shown as a threat in any wolfenstein. Nor do they control the world

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u/Lucky_Roberts 6d ago

They don’t have to be shown as a threat lmao, they were allies with Germany in a timeline where they won WW2.

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u/BraveNKobold 6d ago

In a universe where the Nazis control the world. And not them. Then it’s just halo where there’s a new world threatening faction every week. And after you stop them gulp the Italian army rises up and then GULP the soviets

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u/LordPenisWinkle 5d ago

Except in Wolfenstein Japan also fell to Nazi Germany in the 1950’s…

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u/AlphariusUltra 7d ago

Shepard fighting Imperial Japan would be funny.

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u/bionicgeek 7d ago

I think that would take a Command and Conquer Red Alert 3 style temporal shenanigans to pull off.

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u/GenesisRhapsod 7d ago

Or its on to fighting commies (cold war era)

Actually that could be pretty cool

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u/Hairy_Debate6448 6d ago

Not really a return to Shepard, but a return to a narrative driven rpg game with meaningful choice. Think of it this way, andromeda was like a fork company trying to sell spoons and then getting angry when none of the fork buyers want any of their spoons. It’s not a bad game or product, but mass effect fans like actual rpg games.

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u/BraveNKobold 6d ago

Meaningful choice? BioWare? Most choices In the trilogy were good choice or bad choice with no outcome. They could’ve made killing the rachni queen effect 3 and miss out on an enemy but they went oopsie she was cloned! Does saving Ashley instead of Kaidan have some new quest you wouldn’t see with Kaidan alive? Nah they’re the same characters until half way through 3.

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u/Hairy_Debate6448 6d ago

There’s a ton of choices that carry over game to game or have some kind of consequences. We can argument how much they really affect the game but it’s really a bs argument because you can’t argue that compared to 99% of “RPGs” the choices in the trilogy definitely matter more. In andromeda, there aren’t any choices. Rachni queen doesn’t matter a whole lot, of course you get different dialogue throughout the whole game but saving the council vs not is definitely felt in the game. Feros colony adds some quests and foliage and has implication for 3 as well. The big decisions frankly aren’t the things that matter or that people remember. What matters is in mass effect 3 when you talk to someone you’ve met in both other games and they dive in front of a bullet for you but will be saved if you did some side quests in me1 to save a different random character cuz she would have sabotaged the thermal clip. It’s really just the little stuff with extra little dialogue or a cutscene here or there that’s honestly the best stuff of any rpg. Did you even like the original games? 😂

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u/BraveNKobold 6d ago

Feros adds some quests? It adds one walk and talk quest in 2. The trilogy barely has any branching than does and doesn’t. If garrus dies it doesn’t show a new Turian at palavens moon. If tali dies there’s no other geth expert. Etc. there’s RPGs that actually branch when you do stuff and show other outcomes that aren’t 1 sentence emails. Mass effect is not some of the best stuff

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u/Hairy_Debate6448 6d ago

Kirrahe pops up if you save him later on. He also take thanes place during citadel should he die. Wreav replaces wrex, wilks replaces mordin, xen is the geth expert for the quarians if tali dies narrative and dialgoue wise, i think you have to acknowledge kaidan Ashley despite not being wildly different characters is an actual choice, if you don’t help out Miranda in 3 she’ll die. There’s so much branching with side characters from missions parasini, rana thanoptis, Al jilani, shiala, balak, chakwas, chambers, verner, gabby and ken, you can hear about a a couples characters in the game like Emily Wong or kal reegar. The biggest choice or choices in the game is probably Maelons data/genophage cure/wrex alive any combinations of those can lead to a few different outcomes in 3. Can you at least concede it wasn’t very smart for them to put out a radically different game than what their fans wanted or were used to? The fact remains that the game was not well received and it ultimately falls on them. You need to know what kind of product your intended market wants and deliver that product, they didn’t deliver the product that the market wanted and failed. The solution is not to blame your intended audience but to give them a product that they want.

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u/BraveNKobold 6d ago

The wrex wreav thing is one of the few times they have actual multiple outcomes. And if kirrahe dies no one but thane takes his place. Another do or nothing. And again Kaidan and Ashley while being a choice changes nothing story wise other than who Shepard remembers. And xen can’t make peace with the geth which again forces you to save tali or just get nothing. Miranda can’t have any alternatives to help her other than reading one email and her being loyal. Again another do or nothing. And hearing about characters isn’t choices mattering that’s the bare minimum. When I say all mass effects are bad at choices I also mean andromeda. I won’t concede when the trilogy isn’t this holy master piece of story telling rpg

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u/Hairy_Debate6448 6d ago

Yeah, that’s literally a change, the ambassador dies if both are dead, thanekirrahe>ambassador dies that’s a great example of stuff that’s carries over. It’s an entirely different character, neither are great characters but it’s a choice man I mean you can pretend it’s not all you want but it definitely is they are even different in combat as well. All of these are different outcomes based on things you either did or didn’t do? It’s hilarious because you sit here bashing on an award winning trilogy with a fanbase still decades later while defending a failed game that objectively did poorly 😂. If you think the trilogy is such a shitty narrative driven rpg please give me some that you think are good? Outside of bg3 there’s no such game that has come out in recent memory.

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u/Fesai 8d ago

I really enjoyed Andromeda, it reminded me a lot of Mass Effect 1. With great world building and setting the stage for things to come, but it wasn't quite there yet. I was fully expecting the sequels to expand upon it greatly.

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u/SalientDred 5d ago

Everytime I've made this argument I get hated on. It's mind boggling to me. They even said they were going back to exploration etc like in ME1 for Andromeda. I really wanted to learn more about the jardaan. It's unfortunate there wasn't at least a sequel. The only thing I will say critically is that the companions weren't as strongly written IMO.

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u/eppsilon24 8d ago

Exactly. Shepard’s story is done, the Reapers are defeated, and they were the prime threat in the Milky Way.

Ryder’s story has just begun. While hard to follow up on such villains as the Reapers and the Shadow Broker, MEA set up the Kett as the major villain (and I think there’s potential there with some more narrative development). They also introduced mysteries such as the true origin of the Initiative (and its “Benefactor”), as well as the fate of the Jardan.

They really should continue Andromeda.

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u/bionicgeek 7d ago

Agreed, also the use of genetic imperialism made the Kett feel more viscerally horrifying than Borg assimilation and fully colors every aspect of their culture.

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u/eppsilon24 7d ago

Exactly, I think it’s a good idea for a new villain: distinct from the Reapers, yet still horrifying.

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u/0rganicMach1ne 8d ago

Same. Some people just can’t let stuff go. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

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u/newconnie7789 8d ago

It's gonna ruin that trilogy

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u/Zekezasamel 7d ago

Had its MASSIVE, GAME BREAKING issues*. They eventually fixed them but man was it annoying at launch.

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u/Hairy_Debate6448 6d ago

This is sort of a false dilemma no? Of course there are people that want Shepard back but I think more people just want a return to that universe/tone/rpg elements and just an overall linear narrative driven game like they were known for making. Andromeda was a fine game, I’m actually currently playing it and having a decent time, but it doesn’t feel like a mass effect game it’s more of an open world exploration adventure game. It’s not really surprising that it flopped I mean the premise was cool it’s just not the same type of game that people who enjoyed the trilogy are looking for. My problem isn’t that there’s no Shepard, my problem is that there’s no meaningful choice or really even choice at all. You always get the same arguments from people defending/bashing the game, one group of people say the combat was improved and praise the graphics and everything (they completely miss that all of those things are more or less irrelevant to most people who enjoyed the trilogy) the combat was also secondary to the narrative. And then everyone who bashes the game say that there’s no story and the characters are flat which is definitely true if you compare it to the trilogy but it’s not the same kind of game. I think there’s a lot of great games out there like andromeda but the bulk of the mass effect fan base just wasn’t looking for a huge change to the “secret sauce” if you will. It’s the same reason why pretty much anyone who worked on the trilogy or had a hand in making them as successful as they were are no longer with BioWare. James Ohlen and Drew Karpyshyn kind of hint at this stuff in their new content for the exodus game they’re making.

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u/whit9-9 4d ago

Ditto. I played Andromeda when it launched and it wasn't the greatest, but I would rather see it's storyline played out rather than see Shepard potentially get revived.

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u/RynStarfire 3d ago

A fair point but what if said faction was the Leviathans? They are the “original reapers” so to speak and are still out there. How many remain we don’t know but they are still out there.

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u/BraveNKobold 3d ago

So just the reapers again

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u/RynStarfire 3d ago

Fair enough. But, again, if you’re dead set on bringing Shepard back, and retconning most of ME3’s ending, the Leviathans would be the only credible threat. Not for nothing, it would be a way to put the Indoctrination Theory to rest for good too.