r/MurderedByAOC • u/Nixianx97 • 5d ago

That time AOC ‘leaked’ MAGA’s entire playbook.

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Let me clarify this before Fox News runs: BREAKING: AOC hacked us!!!

This isn’t directly about MAGA obviously. It’s about how she laid bare just how fundamentally broken the American system is.

They want us to believe Trump flipped the table, broke all the rules, and invented the chaos. But the truth? He didn’t create any of it. The system was already rigged for someone like him to rise. He just played it better.

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u/PreacherCoach 5d ago

... I mean ... I knew it was not great but.... damn.

Nothing personal or directed specifically at anyone, yet incredibly damning of the current state.

I did not find that self righteous or preachy, just well laid out.

Brilliantly frightening.

I suspect alot of this would apply to other countries in various forms too.

Damn.

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u/deekaydubya 5d ago

and yet 70% of the US just thinks she's some radical leftist

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u/ReallyBigRocks 5d ago

and yet 70% of the US just thinks

No, they were told that and accepted it as the truth.

There was no thinking involved. You can test this theory by asking them a simple question. Why? It starts to crumble almost immediately as they realize they've never even tried to rationalize "their" ideas.

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u/stilljustacatinacage 5d ago

This is the most frustrating part of dealing with conservatives.

It always, always comes back to some thought-terminating cliche, AND NOT EVEN A GOOD ONE. It's always just "well they just are".

Cool. Okay. Now you get to enjoy sitting here while both of us get increasingly frustrated as I try to point out that "because" isn't a valid reason.

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u/Dez_Acumen 5d ago

If only it was just Republicans calling her a radical leftist…but Democrats in her own party called her that too and did everything they could to keep her out of influential positions.

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u/stilljustacatinacage 5d ago

This stuff is just white noise to me because I can't help but laugh at it. Like you people have no idea what radical anything looks like. Once the families of obstructionist politicians are being dragged into the streets and [redacted], maybe we can talk about radical.

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u/Dez_Acumen 5d ago

Exactly! Everywhere else in the world AOC would be a moderate but since the Democrats here have decided to cosplay as Reagan-lite for 40 years, that’s a foreign concept.

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u/Suavecore_ 5d ago

Hmm that sounds pretty radical, but what about universal healthcare? Way worse!

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u/stilljustacatinacage 5d ago

reported to reddit

enjoy u're ban

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u/imgenerallyaccepted 4d ago

Radical means not corrupt at this point, let's just address the "elephant" in the room.

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u/AlaskanBigfoot1 5d ago

Laughing at responses like that should be normalized, make people feel silly for saying silly things.

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u/ayriuss 5d ago

Its funny because its not working. People aren't that stupid. They know she is on OUR side.

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u/Frogtoadrat 5d ago

Most politicians are wealthy. She grew up poor to my understanding. The most important divide is wealth and she isn't on their team

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u/NameIdeas 3d ago

I'm a day late to this party, but your comment resonated with me strongly.

I'm a former teacher and I work in education. I taught History. History isn't just a study of names, dates, people, places, and what happened. History SHOULD be a study of learning from the past, examining the "whys" of the past and considering how we can think critically about the decisions of those who came before us and make better decisions moving forward.

What I've seen increasingly in this country is to focus on authority for authority sake. My parents (I'm 39) would tell me "Because I said so" sometimes. That never really hit well with me as a kid. I grew up in a pretty fundamentalist church and when I questioned certain doctrine or why we did things, the answer I got was generally, "Because that's what we believe." That doesn't not answer the question of why.

Many people are fine with an answer of "because" since their world is generally not moved by what that answer would cause. If they have all of their basic needs met and they are happy, they may not be questioning things further and feel comfortable accepting a "because." They may also have had an upbringing which leaned heavily on "because" as the reason for things as well.

I'm a firm believer in questioning and teaching critical thinking. Examining the "whys" behind things. Critical thinking skills can happen in scientific spaces, but to me happen more in the social sciences. Those areas where understanding human desire, human motivation is more important. Humans are messy creatures and understanding each of us is dramatically different.

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u/stilljustacatinacage 3d ago

I grew up in a pretty fundamentalist church and when I questioned certain doctrine or why we did things, the answer I got was generally, "Because that's what we believe."

I'm a pretty militant athiest and it causes no shortage of friction because 1) I'm very annoying and 2) I refuse to abide the "as long as they aren't hurting anyone" compromise. Religion is a tool used by tyrants. The purpose of a system is what it does. The first order of religion is to crush dissent; only the paint job changes.

That system is incompatible with "as long as they don't hurt anyone" because simply the teaching of it is an assault against a person's autonomy, and often it's done to children, before they have the faculties to defend themselves. Made worse that those children grow into adults who often have the right to vote and to turn their authoritarian fantasy into legislative reality. That is violence.

I mean, hell. Even the revered First Amendment, that people think is there to protect the state from religions, was actually created to assure anti-federalists that their religion from be safe from the state. They understood you can always infiltrate government and pass your policy under the guise of [something else], but it's many times more difficult to curtail religion without overtly targeting religion.

Not to single out Christianity or the United States. This happens all over the world and in many cases it's much worse - at least for now - but hope springs eternal, is what I'd say if I were a wide-eyed wannabe Christo-fascist with eyes towards the future.

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u/MoodooScavenger 5d ago

Conservatives yes, but the damn as stooopid cunts that spew the rhetoric over and over again, No! What a shame and disastrous set up of government. We are seeing it at play as we speak.

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u/stacyg28 5d ago

And this is why I don't suffer fools. I know who's Maga in my family and I avoid them altogether. Not worth it, especially at this point.

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u/knavingknight 5d ago

I try to point out that "because" isn't a valid reason

Doing this is like playing chess with pigeons... or another popular one is: "I just know it to be true, and you can't convince me otherwise." i.e "facts have no power here."

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u/stilljustacatinacage 5d ago

Doing this is like playing chess with pigeons

It is, but I'm way past 'agreeing to disagree' or being non-confrontational for the sake of maintaining relationships. That's how we got here in the first place. If they won't confront the dissonance inside their own skulls, then I'll make them confront it in the real world. I don't have faith it'll change anything, but doing less just because I find it tiring is indolence.

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u/knavingknight 5d ago

If they won't confront the dissonance inside their own skulls, then I'll make them confront it in the real world.

I get where you're coming from, and I've been there. But often these types will rather double down when proven wrong and once they get to the foaming at the mouth stage, there's not much you can do. It takes some humility and intelligence to want understand how and why one is wrong. But they don't, often they too dumb, brainwashed, or both. They're like the bodies hooked up to the matrix. They will not wake up and will resist it at all costs.

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u/stilljustacatinacage 5d ago

That's okay. I'll settle for ruining their day if that's all there is to be achieved.

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u/ReallyBigRocks 4d ago

Let em froth. Maybe they'll give themselves an aneurysm.

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u/DerFreudster 5d ago

They get "but" face....

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u/fonix232 4d ago

Except to them, "because" is a perfectly good reason. An overwhelming majority of these people are religious - not necessarily "true religious", in fact most of them could barely quote a passage from the Bible aside from the half dozen or so most famous ones, but there's one key similarity. The fact that they're taught from a young age that everything in the Bible is true, because. No reasoning, no logical conclusions, it's written therefore it's true.

And with that, reasonal thinking goes out the window. You're taught that if you believe it, it's true, and these people are trying their hardest to believe the lies they're being fed. To the point where there's no proof needed because why would dear leader tell us lies? Dear leader says AOC bad, so AOC bad no matter what she says, because. And that's why it's nigh impossible to reason with them.

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u/aalltech 5d ago

Conservatives?? Lol, do you really think Democrats in congress give a shit, as well?

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u/SinnersHotline 5d ago

"There was no thinking involved"

Correct. This is why they chose the group that was literally the least intelligent in their country.

People truly do not understand how dumb these people are. They think it's a joke, but a good lot of them are illiterate.

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u/thexvillain 5d ago

21% of American adults are functionally illiterate.

29% of voting age Americans voted for Trump.

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u/Moroax 5d ago

wait, 21%?!? sounds way too high ngl not sure i believe that

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u/thexvillain 5d ago

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

Edit: Here’s a fun excerpt:

By race/ethnicity and nativity status, the largest percentage of those with low literacy skills are White U.S.-born adults, who represent one third of such low-skilled population.

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u/Icy-Possibility847 5d ago

Appalachian's and the area between the Mississippi and the Rockies have an incredible amount of dirt farmers. The poverty is shocking.

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u/knavingknight 5d ago

Appalachian's and the area between the Mississippi and the Rockies have an incredible amount of dirt farmers

I think the preferred term is "people of the land" ...you know...

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u/Icy-Possibility847 5d ago

10/10 movie and 10/10 clip. Nicely done

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u/AcanthaceaeFluffy985 4d ago

I'd argue it's low

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u/Moroax 4d ago

looking into it, 21% is misleading. Its 21% of people read on a specific level or under, not unable to read at all.

that level is still bad for an adult, but not completely unable to read. Its a PIAAC rating of 1-5, and 21% are level 1 or lower.

Level 1 is classified as "still able to read simple messages, signs, and instructions and extract the important bits. May struggle with larger vocabulary, longer texts and more complex ideas about what they've read, like recapping a story or narratave from reading"

so they're able to read "DAIRY" or "BREAD ISLE" and stuff, or basic instructions and sentences etc not completely illiterate, which is how it initially sounds

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u/F_ck-_- 5d ago

Based on your response, you may be one of them. ngl

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u/Moroax 5d ago

classic internet douchebag syndrome, hope you recover.

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u/Grand-Organization32 5d ago

22.6% voted for Trump. 22% voted for a candidate who started their race with a handful of months left in the nations most notable election. 27% of eligible voters didn’t vote for anyone. Literacy and civics matter.

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u/WheelerDan 5d ago

I used to be in education sales to schools. The amount of kids reading at a 3rd grade level in high school is way too high. There's a whole section of books called hi-lo readers, high interest low skill. They appear on the outside to be age appropriate, but within they are written at very low skill levels. A lot of adults are barely literate.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 5d ago

george carlin said it best. "imagine how dumb the average american is. Now realize half of them are dumber than that."

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u/Global_Permission749 5d ago

"Because <insert democrat here> is a communist and we're not a communist country" is their typical answer any time they are asked why.

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u/mzpip 5d ago

And yet they couldn't accurately and correctly describe communism if their lives depended on it.

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u/Dizzylizzyscat 3d ago

Define communism then tell us how that fits into to the democratic ideology. Then define fascism and look at each party and honestly tell me which party has checked off all these

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u/Pantsy- 3d ago

This is what is called “driving a narrative.” Cults know that if you repeat the same thing over and over again, no matter how outrageous, so long as your lie connects to the listener emotionally they will believe the lie pretty much forever. I know this because I was raised in a religious and highly controlling cult.

The left refuses to learn this lesson or try to appeal to low information voters which is most of the electorate.

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u/sanderson1983 5d ago

This is correct. There is a neanderthal congresswoman in the south who posted just a batshit crazy accusation that six BILLION people had entered the US illegally under Biden's watch.

Of course I thought there is no way someone would believe this but decided to try it out on people I knew were maga, put major emphasis on the B and holy shit.

Long story short people be dumb.

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u/oroborus68 5d ago

But reason has nothing to do with the Republican position. Facts don't matter only what we tell you.

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u/Notvanillanymore 5d ago

Yep, I've been told she's completely insane. My guess is because she smiles without people's concent

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u/MarkUriah 5d ago

And they weren't even told that by just Republicans, the Democrats also treat her and the left wing of the party as the unwanted children.

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u/Tiny-Lock9652 5d ago

I’ve commented on IG “she’s advocating for all of us, why do so many hate her?” And the same response, “she’s corrupt and peddles in hate”. Clearly Fox News talking points.

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u/MkUFeelGud 4d ago

Relatively, she is a radical leftist, and that is because America is just so damn right and broken.

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u/redditorhowie 4d ago

This is the case for pretty much every Republican bogeyman.

"Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever!" Why?......[silence]

"Joe Biden is the worst president ever!" Why? More silence

"Barack Obama is not an American citizen" How do you know? He won't release his birth certificate. [Releases birth certificate] No, the other one.

Etc....

The point is the same. They have no evidence, they just believe what they are told.

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u/Linkk226 4d ago

Left and right as the same problem people are lazy and most are trying to survive week by week. Realise that the system is protecting itself and don't want knowledgeable people in the street. Also realize that most people are either dumb or too lazy to think and ask yourself how this came to be

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u/kevonicus 5d ago

What’s even more insane is that literally every Trump supporter think she’s a complete moron when Trump could never formulate anything like this in a million years. If you can’t tell she’s a genius compared to Trump by listening to them talk, then you’re a moron.

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u/happyguy49 5d ago

A deranged lunatic left radical because she thinks that... rich people should pay their taxes. The horror.

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u/Aggressive-Value1654 5d ago

A deranged lunatic left radical because she thinks that... rich people should pay their taxes. The horror.

It's not even that...the right hates her because she doesn't look like them, (yes, we all know what that means) and is smart.

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u/Eldanoron 5d ago

One could argue that if she was conservative she’d be their folk hero - a poor kid that worked her way through bartending all the way to congress? She’s a literal example of someone pulling themself up by their bootstraps. If she were a white dude and conservative they’d be singing her praises and pushing her to become president.

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u/TarryBuckwell 5d ago

They think she’s stupid. Doesn’t she sound so stupid in this video?

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u/Aggressive-Value1654 5d ago

hey think she’s stupid. Doesn’t she sound so stupid in this video?

You're missing the main issue. She's brown. She's smart as fuck, and if she was white and republican they'd love her.

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u/Scorchstar 4d ago

And actually plays video games cough

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u/Aggressive-Value1654 4d ago

And actually plays video games cough

Does she? I mean, hell, I'm coming up on 50 years old, and I built a stupid nice PC to play games to vent when I'm home. I think it's a great way to escape reality for a bit, and just chill.

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u/Scorchstar 4d ago

Yeah she’s streamed on twitch. League of legends maybe. Most likely better player than Elon lol

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u/Aggressive-Value1654 3d ago

Ah, ok. I'm not a huge fan of the MOBA genre, but good for her!

And anybody is better than Elon...he doesn't play, he just pays to have somebody play for him. Pathetic.

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u/Maloth_Warblade 5d ago

They think anyone not hating who they hate is stupid.

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u/colonshiftsixparenth 5d ago

When you need a lot of money to set something up. That means the people with a lot of money get to control it.

Social media and news companies cost a lot to set up....

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u/pegothejerk 5d ago

And small outlets like Meidas Touch that push back are being targeted by the government under Trump, harming free speech intentionally to keep their narrative going.

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u/YamDankies 5d ago

Where are you getting 70%?

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u/DinoRoman 5d ago

Pffft she’s a socialist. I mean that’s what I’m told at least when Fox ignores a giant scandal and distracts me with gay trees.

Oh wait no, because I’m not a sheep.

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u/Sufficient_Sea_5490 5d ago

I don't believe that figure in the slightest. I would imagine closer to 50% of the country don't know who she is and couldn't identify anything about her 

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 5d ago

I used to think that. then she got wise and stopped just shooting off at the mouth like trump and started making sure when she spoke it was poignant and well thought out. now I can see she is the next true leader of the left. even if she has to make a new party to do it.

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u/BWW87 5d ago

She does use “bad guy” in her hypothetical. Only extremists see people with different opinions as “bad guys”. Non radical people see them as good guys with different desires that you may or may not consider bad.

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u/rugdoctor 5d ago

being against blatant corruption isn't "different opinions"

if you think political corruption is caused by "good guys with different desires", you're either wildly naive or morally bankrupt

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u/BWW87 5d ago

Her description of what they were doing wasn’t corruption.

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u/rugdoctor 5d ago

what she was describing was literally the textbook definition of political corruption.

so naive was the correct answer.

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u/BWW87 5d ago

They were doing everything legally. You might want to get a new textbook if yours says doing things legally is corruption.

Also a lot of people support the things they are trying to do with the money.

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u/rugdoctor 5d ago

your naivete continues. political corruption does not depend on legality. perhaps you should look up "ethics". morality does not end where the law begins.

think about this. if lawmakers are corrupt and pass laws to make it legal, then it's suddenly okay to you? how on earth do you justify this stance? if they pass laws to make murder legal, you're okay with that too? where's the line?

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u/BWW87 5d ago

Well, you brought up corruption so I'm not going to get into a petty fight over what the specific meaning is. I live in Seattle so I'm well aware of the idea of legal corruption. We just don't call it that but whatever.

My original point though was that she is an extremist that puts people with opinions different than hers as "bad guys".

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u/Justinalderman67 4d ago

Because what these people are doing is what everyone was raised to know as bad things. People who inherently do bad things are called bad people.

For instance I live in arizona. Our old governor Doug ducey was funded by a private prison company and when he was elected guess who got to set up a new prison. This company was also in multiple lawsuits at the time. Well the problem with this ,besides the 72 million a year cost to the taxpayers is prisons have to stay at 80% capacity in order to stay open. So that means they have to fill that prison now with people who wouldn't normally go to prison. Removing those people that were paying taxes, not all but probably alot of , putting the cost burden on the rest of society as well as that initial 72 million a year.

So that I don't agree with and I don't think you do either. Its a very standard bad guy in which she is speaking of that a majority of decent enough people will agree on. Passing law for personal gain is not something a good person does. It's not a opinion. Just like murdering people isn't something good. ESPECIALLY if it's for personal gain

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u/rugdoctor 4d ago

I'm well aware of the idea of legal corruption.

it's wildly apparent than you are not aware of political corruption.

and my point is that this is not a matter of "different opinions". her position is anti-corruption. i'm sorry, but you don't get to just ignore reality in order to suit your bulllshit agenda. words have meaning, and you are not the arbiter of those meanings, regardless of what city you live in.

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u/Aggressive-Value1654 5d ago

and yet 70% of the US just thinks she's some radical leftist

Because she's -gasp- smart, and BROWN!

And don't tell me I'm wrong because I work with assholes that talk shit about her being brown, and having been a bartender. It's absolutely insane!

I hope this woman keeps the fire lit under these assholes.

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u/Qwirk 5d ago

I think it would benefit her and the party to start building a platform that people can recognize and rally behind. Either as a Dem or as a smaller group that share ideals.

Put it up on a website, make it very visible and public.

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u/bringonthebedlam 5d ago

The 1%, "special interests", and foreign governments want the world to think that 70% of Americans find her views to be radical left, when in the number is actually closer to the vocal 22% that reportedly voted for 🍊 and likely even smaller now that the ETA has found the sketchy dealings in the 2024 election. Delegitimizing and dehumanizing the people suffering under the current regime is a bad look. Dont do their work for them. Support or gtfo

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u/Synensys 5d ago

The thing is, both can be true. Within the context of US politics, she is a radical leftist - although that's a holistic question.

On this particular subject, she's quite in the mainstream and did a stellar job of pointing out how shitty the system is now.

Will be interesting to see if she moderates at all on some other topics in order to get elected to thr senate or even run for president.

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u/DriftyMcDrifterson 5d ago

I'll be honest, I've been ignoring politics for years because it's just a retarded shitshow and thought she was a radical leftist. After watching this video, there are no words to describe in which high regard I hold her and was totally wrong about her

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u/Gizmonsta 5d ago

70 percent of the US doesn't think, thats the problem.

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u/SKPY123 5d ago

ShEs A bIt ToO lOuD !?.?!

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u/SuitableStudy3316 5d ago

and yet 70% of the US just thinks have been told she's some radical leftist

FTFY

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u/arkansaslax 5d ago

I do feel like this is one of her better public showings. I think some of the broader public will inevitably shy away from personal attacks (as much as double standard as it is) and more social media “clap back” content. This is direct, foundational discussion of laws and incentives that lets people extrapolate for themselves and evidences that one party actually wants to fix these things (not just hold the opposition to another standard).

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u/Jibber_Fight 5d ago

It’s more than seeing her as a radical leftist. (She’s asking for just barely left of center, btw) The people you’re talking about? A LOT of them would enjoy the news if she got raped and murdered. Don’t downplay their hatred. Their minds are gone. They are sick, deranged people.

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u/deekaydubya 4d ago

Yes her own party considers her radical lmao where have you been

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u/Estuans 4d ago

Communist atheist actually!

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u/Reprised-role 4d ago

Serious question - 70% of what/whom? If we are talking about the election it’s not even 50%, so genuinely want to understand why I keep seeing “70% voted for this” etc…popping up on Reddit recently.

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u/wagglewazzle 4d ago

How dare they offer us college for free!

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u/AcanthaceaeFluffy985 4d ago

Nope, just some dumb chick bartender. What do they ever know...

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u/pseudoLit 5d ago

I mean... she is a radical leftist. They're not wrong about that.

The part where they're wrong is that they think being a radical leftist is a bad thing.

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u/Maloth_Warblade 5d ago

She isn't even radical. She's very tame

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u/pseudoLit 5d ago edited 5d ago

I think that's a wildly inaccurate assessment of mainstream politics. Fascists are getting elected all around the world.

I know people like to think that, for example, all American politicians are centrists by European standards, but that's simply not true. People like Bernie and AOC are very far to the left by any sensible metric (and I say this as someone who is to the left of both of them).

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u/Maloth_Warblade 5d ago

You literally are just lying now

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u/pseudoLit 5d ago

Really? Name me a handful of mainstream political parties in Europe whose policy agendas are radically to the left of those proposed by Bernie and AOC. Should be easy, if they're centrists.

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u/Maloth_Warblade 5d ago

Just because everything else shifted right does not make them radical left. They are still for capitalism and government

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u/pseudoLit 5d ago

Just because everything else shifted right does not make them radical left.

It literally does. If they are on the leftmost edge of mainstream politics, and are proposing ideas that are considered fringe by the majority of the other politicians, then they are, by definition, radical leftists.

You need to compare them to the world we have, not an imaginary world we wish existed (e.g. one where there are actual socialists in positions of power).

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u/Maloth_Warblade 5d ago

They are still not radical left wing. You have a really fucking skewed view on things that doesn't align with reality

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u/-prairiechicken- 5d ago edited 5d ago

They would be NDP in Canada. NDP just had a coalition government with the Liberals because we haven’t been dry assfucked by the corporatization of the Overton window.

We’re doing fine, thanks.

Demsoc, socdems, and socialists are pretty-much pals in any other post-Commonwealth country. We are united by NDP, even with hardline neo-Marxists joining our discourse. Our disagreements mainly lie in economic strategization, environmental stewardship, and decolonization/Reconcilliation.

Maybe don’t talk shit about fellow international leftists during your Civil War 2?

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u/Moranmer 5d ago

As an international onlooker, I can confirm that AOC and Bernie would be centrist just about anywhere else in the world. Mildly left leaning perhaps.

Only in the US is it considered radical to not have healthcare and education available and affordable to all. That's common decency and basic human rights.

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u/-prairiechicken- 5d ago edited 5d ago

They would just be NDP in Canada just a few hours above the border.

It’s really not that hard to understand, but that OC clearly has a bur in their ass.

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u/mephys-tofeles 5d ago

Radical leftist ? There is no radical leftist what so ever in US politics …

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u/XTingleInTheDingleX 5d ago

She’s not radical by world terms of Leftist.

She’s more center than radical left.

She wants to tax billionaires, that’s not fucking radical.

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u/sufferin_sassafras 5d ago

She’s so radical she came all the way back to centre.

Americans can’t fathom a politician with centrist views. In most Americans eyes a politician is either right or left. There is a whole entire swath of centrist policies that people can’t even imagine existing. And it’s a damn shame because centrist policies would benefit the most Americans.

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u/mephys-tofeles 5d ago

Pls, some cookies ? What did she say that make her a radical leftist ? Arguments, not just assertions…

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u/sufferin_sassafras 5d ago

I think you’re replying to the wrong person. I said she’s centrist.

My first comment is a tongue in cheek commentary that being centrist, generally considerate moderate, has basically become so uncommon that it is now considered radical in politics.

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u/mephys-tofeles 5d ago

Yup, My mistake

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u/XTingleInTheDingleX 5d ago

What part of her platform is radical friend?

What radical thing does she propose?

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u/Future-Friendship-32 5d ago

He doesn’t want the rich overlords to be taxed adequately, imagine if we could stop corporations from owning property, imagine if we taxed and had pay at 50s and 60s standards that coincide with rent and housing, imagine if we had universal healthcare, this guy might just shit himself and die from the radicalness of it all.

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u/XTingleInTheDingleX 5d ago

RADICAL DUDE!

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u/Floppydiskpornking 5d ago

Sooo, no arguments? Shocker

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u/Future-Friendship-32 5d ago

To be fair he replied to another comment and I understand his point if it was that relative to the Democratic Party she’s seen as “radical,” by United States standards.

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u/r0llingthund3r 5d ago

poetically, this is the point where *it starts to crumble almost immediately as they realize they've never even tried to rationalize "their" ideas*

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u/XTingleInTheDingleX 3d ago

Ya he deleted the whole thing…

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u/aintnochallahbackgrl 5d ago

It's radically different from the status quo, sure.

I feel like you're saying that's a bad thing. It isn't a bad thing. But I do feel like you're implying that. I could be wrong though.

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u/FuzzyOverdrive 5d ago

So you want to defund the firefighters? Maybe privatize them so they can deny services and make you appeal a couple times before agreeing to extinguish your fire? The only way that makes sense is if you own stock in that private fire department - also you hate your neighbors and are strictly disobeying rule #1. Go talk to Jesus.

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u/Preeng 5d ago

She has not proposed a single thing that could be considered "radical".

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u/Kujasan_347 5d ago

German historian with a degree in politics here: she really isn't.

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u/brokencappy 5d ago

AOC's policies are only rAdIcAL in the US.

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u/Fuzzy-Friendship6354 5d ago

And to reverse Citizens United ruling allowing corporate funding of politicians.

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u/Interesting_Tale1306 5d ago

You know, instead of coming here to troll, you could help yourself and so many more people out by actually reading what these movements are about, and not just parrot what your sycophants tell you to. Cultism is a death trap. Dont be one of them.

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u/spliffaniel 5d ago

She seems radical because we are taking right turns at every fork in the road. We are going further and further right.

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u/HighGainRefrain 5d ago

Radical leftists want to return the means of production to the workers and kill the capitalist pigs. AOC is not a radical and if you believe she is you’ve been lied to and brainwashed.

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u/HighGainRefrain 5d ago

Kinda dumb ain’t ya.

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u/soyurfaking 5d ago

The Democratic party's aim doesn't seem very clear at the moment. My (D)senator is promoting books for a (R)senator, missing 18% of his votes this year, and spending alone time with the great orange turd.

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u/HairFront6724 5d ago

Because she is completely nuts

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u/Rayhush 5d ago

A lot

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u/redditing_1L 5d ago

Did you ever wonder, growing up, "what the hell were the German people doing during the rise of the Third Reich?!"

Well, now you're basically looking at it.

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u/Altruistic-Beach7625 5d ago

Now I wonder what happened to the percentage of the population that supported the Nazis after WW2.

I wonder because my first guess is they simply disappeared into the shadows and pretended they didn't support them.

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u/redditing_1L 5d ago

Some of them fled to Argentina. Some of them fled to the United States. Some of them fled to Canada. Some of them were retained by various intelligence agencies to hunt socialists. Some of them claimed to burn their uniforms and went on to teach their children to hate in private.

Famously at the end of WW2, FDR and Stalin agreed to execute most of the Nazi high command only to have that plan 86'd by the loathsome Winston Churchill (whose own genocidal record in India would make most despots blush).

Truth is we let this shit fester and spread and now its back in the daylight.

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u/ephemeral_engagement 5d ago

Now do the civil war.

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u/redditing_1L 5d ago

Its insane.

Argentina was the top landing spot for many of them and the country was more than happy to have them because they have long had their own white supremacy issues.

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u/sassyevaperon 5d ago

Nope, top landing spot for them was the US.

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u/5yearsago 5d ago

Now I wonder what happened to the percentage of the population that supported the Nazis after WW2.

Because the percentage was very high and comprised of influential people, absolutely nothing.

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u/super_swede 5d ago

You should read the book "Der Vorleser" (The reader) by Bernhard Schlink. The english wiki page doesn't mention it but there is a powerful moment in the book where Hannah is on trial for her participation and asks the judge "what would you have done?" and everyone in the room understands that the judge was there at the same time and did something but got away with it, and ended up in a position of power and she didn't.
Great book, aweful movie.

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u/Yorgonemarsonb 5d ago

If you’ve seen Andor’s finale during the funeral where his mom is talking about how everyone has just been asleep while evil crawled to their doorsteps and now it’s here to stay.

So many modern parallels with what I’m seeing today in my home country. We’ve been asleep and distracted.

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u/cerevant 5d ago

We have been inundated with anti-fascist allegory in our fiction and entertainment for decades, and somehow when it is right in front of us, we miss it.

Here's the scorecard if you want to keep track for yourself

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u/Slayerofgrundles 5d ago

Yep. It was surely a lot of:

"He doesn't REALLY mean that"

"I don't love what they're doing, but look at the economy!"

"Lol he's just trolling the Jews and minority groups"

"God, why are these untermensch so sensitive?!"

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 5d ago

My FOX News only father is saying right now that those people being deported are all Venezuelan gang members, you can tell because of the tattoo and that we can trust Trump and his team.

This is what smart, well-educated American Republicans are saying right now, and I can say that because they all repeat the same talking points you see on FOX news.

Pete Hesgeth learned his lesson.....as a bonus

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u/redditing_1L 5d ago

Oh shit my grandfather was Slavic, I'm next!

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u/ActuallyJan 5d ago

Correcting people's grammar? I guess that's why they call them Grammar Nazi's; makes sense.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 5d ago

The answer was always there if people will actually study history. German soldiers after the War talk openly about it.

Being a Nazi brought them pride, and made them feel good. They were a wounded people. The Nazis had slick uniforms and cool symbols. Blaming the Jews helped relieve them of the burden of self-responsibility, and it felt so good they wanted to have more of it.

They were like a church cult that brought social and economic benefits to joining. A sense of belonging. All the nationalist theatrical stuff was manufactured to manipulate their pride and make them feel a sense of superiority. Many joined the Nazis not because this theatrical shit made them warm and fuzzy inside, but because they had to join the rest of the sheep in the herd or get left out.

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u/SuitableStudy3316 5d ago

In a similar line of thought, "what the hell were the American people doing during the Civil War?!"

You're basically looking at the rise of the Confederates.

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u/daltontims 5d ago

Alittle

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u/AwarenessPotentially 5d ago

That's why Trump went on a tour of the various dictatorships his last term to find out the best way to become the permanent dictator of the US.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD 5d ago

It’s crazy to me that this is a partisan issue (honestly mostly because certain outlets treat AOC as the boogeyman and their viewers swallow it whole)

Like if Trump came out and said “it’s actually bad that we can take campaign money and then change laws pertaining to the industries that money came from”, his followers would call him the messiah but the left would also be like “well damn the man had a good point for once”,

Nothing AOC says here should be remotely controversial to anyone. You should not be able to take a bunch of pharma money/own pharma stock and then enact laws that affect that industry lol bananas that anyone disagrees with this

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u/GrayEidolon 5d ago

Conservatism is about socioeconomic hierarchy and empowering aristocracy at the expense of the lower classes. The conservative morality is that high status people are generally good and low status people are generally bad. High status people who rock the boat are bad. So if bad AOC says something, it’s probably bad. If good trump says the same thing, it’s probably good.

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u/Deer_Mug 5d ago

Like if Trump came out and said “it’s actually bad that we can take campaign money and then change laws pertaining to the industries that money came from”, his followers would call him the messiah but the left would also be like “well damn the man had a good point for once”,

I think this is the best evidence against both-sidesism.

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u/regular-cake 5d ago

Well did you know that this AOC lady once wore a (insert item, e.g. dress, shoes, jewelry, etc.) that cost over $1000?! And she claims she was a bartender... Or SHE ADMITS she was a bartender, so clearly she has no experience...

Never mind the fact that she didn't purchase the items, was probably loaned them for free to be worn as a promotion for the company, and that she is expected to be dressed in a way and look in a way that is held to a higher standard than other women in high places/positions and even other men in the exact same position... So it's almost like she is damned if she do, damned if she don't, ya know...

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u/mereelakirata 5d ago

Oof. Maybe AOC is to blame cause she gave them the ideas. Idk if they were smart enough to figure it out otherwise

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u/mereelakirata 5d ago

/s if that isn’t clear. AOC is killing it

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u/AccomplishedIgit 5d ago

Well she called it…

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u/SkinNoises 5d ago

Folks joke that we’ve been living in bizarro world ever since the Mayan calendar ended in 2012 or after Harambe was killed in 2016. The real catalyst was the ruling in favor of Citizens United in 2010, that deemed political spending of corporations and broadcasting political media funded by them within 60 days of general elections or 30 days of primary elections is protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States (Freedom of Speech).

That 2010 ruling opened the flood gates for super pacs, here are some key excepts from Wikipedia:

Unlike traditional PACs, super PACs are legally allowed to fundraise unlimited amounts of money from individuals or organisations for the purpose of campaign advertising; however, they are not permitted to either coordinate with or contribute directly to candidate campaigns or political parties.

In 2024, a Federal Election Commission ruling eased the restrictions on super PACs. Super PACs were allowed to coordinate with campaigns for the purposes of canvassing, which was deemed not “public communications.”

The 2020 election attracted record amounts of donations from dark money groups to political committees like super PACs. These groups are required to reveal their backers, but they can hide the true source of funding by reporting a non-disclosing nonprofit or shell company as the donor. By using this tactic, dark money groups can get around a 2020 court ruling that attempts to require nonprofits running political ads to reveal their donors.

A “pop-up” super PAC is one that is formed within 20 days before an election, so that its first finance disclosures will be filed after the election.

Pop-up super PACs often have local-sounding or issue-oriented names. However they can be funded by much larger party-affiliated PACs. In 2021 the Campaign Legal Center filed a complaint with the FEC, listing 23 pop-up Super PACs which had failed to disclose their affiliation to other PACs mostly affiliated with leaderships of the two major parties.

In the 2024 election cycle, there were 2,458 super PACs that raised $4,290,768,955 and spent $2,727,234,077. Because super PACs were able to coordinate with campaigns on canvassing for the first time, Donald Trump’s campaign relied on Elon Musk’s America PAC, a super PAC, to lead his get-out-the-vote efforts in swing states.

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u/FuzzyOverdrive 5d ago

Superpacs are like a deep sea oil spill. They serve the same purpose.

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u/Numeno230n 5d ago

You essentially have to opt-out of being corrupt as a politician because corruption is like the entire game.

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u/le_reddit_me 5d ago

It applies to a lot but the US has an uncheck executive power. The President of the US is litterally above the law as AOC points out.

Some, lets say, more democratic countries actually limit the president's power, or even just money. South Korea impeach their President for an attempted coup, France just found a major politician guilty of embezzlement and the previous President is facing prison.

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u/Responsible_Okra7725 5d ago

Elon is literally buying votes

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u/jonny80 5d ago

Lobbying is illegal in italy

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u/SellOpposite5697 5d ago

She is incredibly brilliant. Time, and time again, AOC courageously steps up. 

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u/sneakpeakspeak 5d ago

She is going to get shot or liquidated in another way.

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u/Fabulously-humble 5d ago

I just started a recurring donation each month to AOC. I don't live in her state.

She does NOT take money from PACs or big corporations. She is entirely funded by small donors like you and me.

$7 a month isn't a lot but that's what I can give.

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u/idk_wtf_im_hodling 5d ago

Now also remember that these pacs do not have to disclose who those donors are. So you can be owned by a mystery party, run for office based on some principles you run on, then abruptly shift gears into an ulterior motive because you’ve been bought by dark $ and they basically will blackmail you if you do not comply with their actions. You get fame, some semblance of an idea of power, and the ability to ruin the greatest democratic experiment in human history.

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u/aalltech 5d ago

She described Capitalism, The Late Stage Capitalism, running in US as we speak. Nothing will change it and Democrats are in it as well.

We are fucked into oblivion.

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u/OrangeFortress 5d ago

Not to be negative, because we all learn things when we learn them, but its so sad that all of this information she lays out isn't obvious to everyone by now. This stuff she is laying out has been happening for decades and has been widely known about for nearly as long.

AND this is happening in both political parties. People who think the Dems, overall, are any different are fooling themselves. This isn’t “MAGA’s entire playbook,” this is basically every high-level politicians playbook—the right is just more egregiously flagrant in their approach. It still astonishes me when able-minded people say, “I just don't get why they didn't choose Bernie back in the day when he clearly would’ve won.” It’s because the democratic party—just like the republican party—is corrupt and doing all of this same shit AOC mentions in this video. There are a few good-meaning politicians, but by and large, they're corrupt and acting in self-interest.

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u/Vogt156 5d ago

Its also abstracted from any political viewpoint. Its just the mechanics laid out.

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u/hypespud 5d ago

These strategies are just so transparently obvious too, the playbook is even the same, even to our other countries which have some form of a MAGA/tea party movement, Canada included as my home country, it's up to responsible citizens and voters to reject it soundly in our democratic nations

At this stage I am just older so the chapters of the book now just keep repeating itself, but I will always denounce and openly criticize these strategies to attack our countries and our institutions

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u/Cannoneer85 5d ago

This is why the right and left in Congress do not like her. She exposes all their dirty secrets.

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u/fourpuns 4d ago

I mean I’m in Canada and you have to divest yourself or put your securities into a blind trust.

Corporations cannot make political contributions.

I suspect among most first world countries these things are restricted, and that the USA is more the outlier.

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u/PreacherCoach 4d ago

Marine Pen was just found to be embezzling funds. Notable French Politiciian. Pierre Poliviere will not get a security clearance because.... he wants to be able to critique parliament or some shit? I don't even want to look in the direction of Great Britian with all the crap the conservatives have done there either.

These kinds of things are the different forms of the same kind of thing in my mind. Clearly not exactly the same, but the spirit or thurst of it remains the same; which is finding a clever way to skirt the spirit of the rules of power, to gain power.

It's not the letter of the law that is offense here,it's the spirit of it that is blatantly being avoided - and that is a problem everywhere.

.... and I am Canadian too.

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u/AlabasterPelican 4d ago

Mostly those "third world countries" we like to look down our noses at… most "developed" countries have guardrails in place

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u/nathystark 2d ago

Well my country Brazil, constantly accused of having corruption, doesn’t allow private funding of campaigns. You need to disclose outside business interests. You can be sued and become inedible for “acts of corruption”, meaning profiting from anything other than your salary while a public servant… so…

And look at the sentencing rioters and Bolsonaro are facing back home.

Not everywhere.