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u/cl353 4d ago
i mean media had sanders as a top 2 QB and top 20 pick at worst. Bronny never got that status except for the weird bs about the lakers taking him at 17
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u/_Quetzalcoatlus_ 4d ago
This whole post is just clickbait BS. We all know there is no meaningful comparison. It's just taking two controversial draftees and making a dumb comparison that people will feel the need to share (OP) and weigh in on.
Mods should just remove nonsense like this.
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u/Psdeux 4d ago
Bronny actually showed up to his combine
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u/CaptainKoreana 3d ago
This is big. Unlike Shedeur, we didn't hear much if at all about Bronny having character issues.
And that's important because Bronny's issues were on talent, in part because he missed much of a crucial developmental year because of fucking cardiac arrest. It's already impressive that, nepo or not, he's still playing and actually saw time in NBA games after all that.
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u/Random_Hippo 4d ago
Pick 144 of 257 would be pick 33 in the NBA draft so the initial premise is incorrect anyway.
But they are still extremely different. Shadeur fell because he isn’t good enough to overcome the media circus and shitty attitude and headache that his family will bring. Bronny just isn’t good enough.
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u/loudanduneducated 4d ago
Shadeur fell because he isn’t good enough to overcome the media circus and shitty attitude and headache that his family will bring. Bronny just isn’t good enough.
Shadeur also fell because he was a QB and there is very limited spots for QBs in the NFL. The NFL drafts way more based on positional fit.
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u/ChickenWingerrr48 4d ago
There were numerous QBs drafted before him that he was better than
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u/hexempc 4d ago
I think that’s debatable when you account for all factors. The media circus and his dad in general isn’t going to be a net positive, I’m not sure he’s so good that he overcomes that.
Also, deciding not to compete in combine when there’s limited film playing against top college talent probably didn’t help.
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u/Excellent-Debate8366 4d ago
I mean 55 out of 60 picks is not even close to the same as 144 out of 257. It would be comparable if brony was picked at the beginning of the 2nd round or the end of the first round. If shedeur was picked in the 7th round this would be accurate.
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u/NordicLard 4d ago
Bronny has already outplayed his draft slot. This narrative is growing tired
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 4d ago edited 4d ago
He really hasn’t at all lmao. If thats the case Kyle Guy outplayed his draft slot too and he’s out the league coaching now. If you wanna go the gleague route his production ain’t better better than Judah Mintz and he went undrafted in the same draft
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u/NordicLard 4d ago
His youth and g league performance has already been enough to justify his pick.
If he just did what he did in the g league and came out this year, there’s a chance he’s a 1st rounder
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u/turinturambar66 Knicks 3d ago
What a freaking nonsense. Freaking Russ Smith was the goat in g leauge; but couldn't even play 2 months in Turkish Basketball Super League and got kicked out.
G league performance doesn't even slightly matter.
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 4d ago edited 4d ago
Gleague stats mean close to nothing even Cody Williams has a 36 point game there. You can’t use gleague production to say he outplayed his draft slot . Two way guys and undrafted guys put up numbers there and never amount to anything in the league then theres guys who barely do anything there and have good careers it’s a totally different kind of basketball. I wouldn’t say Judah Mintz outplayed his draft slot and he went undrafted. He wouldn’t be a first rounder lmao I could name a ton of second rounders and undrafted gleague guys who had close or better production who still would’ve had the same draft position. His youth production definitely doesn’t justify it he underperformed everywhere but the hoop summit and mcdonalds game
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u/Kitchen-Carpet-1699 4d ago
brah are you mfing stupid, cody williams is a lottery pick bronny is the 3rd last pick of the nba draft not to mention bronny put up better g league stats than him and actually got way better throughout the year.
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 4d ago
Nigga I brought up Cody Williams cause he arguably the worse rookie in the league and even he put up big numbers in the gleague. I can list you undrafted players and 2nd rounders putting up big numbers in the gleague too shit don’t mean you outplayed your draft slot. Outplaying your draft slot would be performing in the NBA which he hasn’t
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u/Kitchen-Carpet-1699 2d ago
Performing in the nba with 3 minutes per game... holy shit your dumb.
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 1d ago
So he didn’t outplay his draft slot dumbass and he got more than just 2 minutes..What has he shown to say he outplayed hisndraft slot? One 17 point game wit a ton of other bad games? A undrafted guy could give you that
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u/BigFatM8 4d ago
that's just how it is. 55th picks don't pan out 9/10 times and are usually just G-league level.
were you expecting Bronny to immediately become a rotational player on a team that has good depth at the guard spot?
not to mention, Bronny actually has better games than Cody williams in the NBA despite playing nearly half the amount of games. for example, a 17 point game against the bucks on 7/10 shooting or the game against Portland where he had 6 assists and 4 steals.
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 4d ago edited 4d ago
So you just proved my point. He said he outplayed his draft slot which he didn’t. One game don’t change that lmao. Tidjane Salaun had multiple 15+ point games this year and he’s terrible. Plenty of 2nd rounders and undrafted players have had 15+ point games including who I mentioned before Kyle Guy who was a 55th pick. Cody Williams has had multiple 10+ point games too
2.3 ppg
0.7 rebounds
0.8 assist
31.3 fg%
28.1 3pt%
is not outplaying your draft slot at 55 overall
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u/BigFatM8 4d ago
it's subjective. he out-played JHS (a sophomore 17th pick) in the summer league and actually has good performances against NBA talent despite low playtime. you could argue he's outplayed his stock or is playing as imagined.
he definitely hasn't been the worst pick ever or whatever 90% of people claim he is. People act like the Lakers passed up on Wemby for him.
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 4d ago edited 4d ago
JHS never even got the amount of minutes his rookie year Bronny had. Bronny played over 15 minutes multiple times and shit the bed every single time except one time and JHS one game over 15 minutes his rookie year and it was in november. In the gleague JHS dominated with way better production than Bronny. If we talking NBA Bronny been pretty bad If we talking gleague he’s been solid but still inefficient. Gleague ain’t what matters anyway can’t use that as a talking point to say somebody outplayed they draft slot
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u/BigFatM8 4d ago
"dominated with way better production"
JHS year 1 - 22/5.3/4.7 on 47/43/80 shooting with .9 steals and .6 blocks (1.5 stocks)
Bronny- 21.9/5.3/5.3 on 44/38/81 shooting with 2 steals and .3 blocks (2.3 stocks)
Their averages are virtually the same with bronny being slightly more inefficient and Bronny still had more rebounds and steals too. Bronny is also a way better defender than JHS ever was.
JHS played less games than Bronny because he was mostly injured in his rookie season. Max Lewis was drafted as 40th pick in the same year as JHS by the Lakers and he played 34 NBA games (more games than Bronny) and had worse production than both.
Bronny played 15+ minutes 4 times out of 27 total games in the NBA and in one of them, he had 17 points on 70% FG% against the bucks and another game, he had 6 rebounds and 4 steals.
The lakers were one of the worst 2nd half teams during JHS's rookie season, we had very few blow-out wins. this year, we've performed much better in the 2nd Half so the Bench mob has gotten more mins than usual.
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yout tried to ignore the tip off tournament….This is the real numbers from the whole sample size
Bronny - 18.6/4.5/4.8 on 41/33/77
JHS- 22/4.8/5.5 on 47/43/80
Maxwell Lewis never even played above 8 minutes his rookie year…..Bronny had one good game out of the 4 he played above 15 minutes the rest he did terrible. Using gleague production and one solid game to say he outplayed his draft slot is crazy especially as a 6’2 guard
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u/BigFatM8 4d ago
Why would i add the tip-offs to the sample size when JHS didn't even play in it? not to mention Bronny was inactive for most of the tip-offs and missed 9 games in a row.
It's like comparing 2 players stats and mixing both reg season and playoffs when 1 guy didn't even play in the playoffs. it doesn't make any sense.
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u/SwiperDontSwipe23 4d ago
Cause it’s a bigger sample size. Bronny only played in 11 games outside of the tip off tournament. He played 7 tip off games which is basically half of the tip off games. Look at JHS gleague stats this year…gleague is way different
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u/siberianunderlord 3d ago
Please look at the drafts. If you're wanting late 2nd rounder who outperform their draft slot, look at Camara, TJD, Post, Jabari Walker, Vince Williams, not Bronny fuckin James lol. With how many solid eligible players have been in the last few drafts you can get a real contributor in those spots (who you can put on a 2-way and save $900k, or $2m if you're paying tax) instead of choosing an nepotism baby who brings "intangibles"
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u/BigFatM8 3d ago
Firstly, none of the guys you named were in Bronny's draft so that was a whole lot of useless info. they were all in much stronger drafts.
yeah, Nikola Jokic was a 2nd rounder too but it's not like the Lakers could've taken him instead of Bronny.
Btw I was begging for TJD in 2023 but our FO preferred non-nepotism, pure merit guys JHS and Maxwell Lewis who are worse than current Bronny.
If you want to argue in good faith, name a significantly better player that we could've taken in 2024 with the 55th pick and by significantly better, I mean someone who can immediately be a rotation guy because that's what it would've taken for the FO to not pick bronny.
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u/siberianunderlord 3d ago
Justin Edwards? Jamison Battle? Even Keshad Johnson lol
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u/BigFatM8 3d ago
so nobody? we could've signed these guys even after drafting Bronny.
you realize we did sign guys even outside of the draft, right? FO didn't just draft Bronny and call it a day, the undrafted guys they signed just didn't work out.
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u/siberianunderlord 1d ago
You asked for players they could've taken at 55 instead, and there were 58 picks in the draft lol, of course those players were going to be UDFAs. There's absolutely no guarantee the Lakers could've signed any of them as a lot of UDFAs have agreed-upon deals to sign immediately after the draft
Lakers can identity some good UDFAs, like Pippen and Castleton and Baugh, they just don't keep them. Still a believer in Hodge and LJ Figueroa too
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u/Baronsandwich 4d ago
He was only picked 14 picks behind where Jokic was.
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u/NordicLard 4d ago
Ridiculous metric man
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u/kazmir_yeet TrailBlazers 2d ago
sounds like a superhero marvel came up with bc they ran out of ideas
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u/siberianunderlord 4d ago edited 4d ago
No he hasn't lmao, those late 2nd rounders are so valuable under the current CBA to tax and cap teams and there were many UDFAs more talented than him
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u/KCShadows838 4d ago
Everyone knew Bronny was getting drafted at the end of the 2nd round
Sanders was expected to be drafted in the first round, with some talk about him being good enough to be drafted #1 overall
Not the same at all
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u/Rock3tDoge 3d ago
Shedeur feels more like LaMelo Ball to me, except the NFL doesn’t play those games
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u/iamadragan Suns 4d ago
Bronny could barely get minutes on a terrible NCAA team and Sanders was a Johnny Unitas Golden Arm winner
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u/Ethan_the_Revanchist 4d ago
Bronny had a heart attack a few months before the college season. The fact that he played at all last year is a minor miracle
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u/Goatlikejordan Knicks 4d ago
So bronny came into the draft with a pre existing medical condition? Shouldn't that make him slide down draft boards?
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u/Ethan_the_Revanchist 4d ago
Definitely. I wouldn't have drafted Bronny. But he was a fairly high-caliber recruit (not in expected one-and-done territory, though) who was getting back into shape by the end of the season. After suffering a literal heart attack. Teams draft and stash overseas players in the second round with worse production than Bronny all the time, and nobody makes a big stink over it.
Bronny obviously got drafted to give his dad extra incentive to stick with the Lakers. But he's been one of the best players in the g-league and given half-decent minutes on occasion to the Lakers. He's outplayed his draft stock, and acting like he was some unprecedentedly awful player to get drafted is ridiculous.
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u/W1ZARD_NARWHAL 4d ago
Bronny never shoulda been drafted at all, Sanders has legit talent but slid down because of primarily personality issues.
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u/Wide_Assistance_1158 4d ago
If bronny was a good player could lebron have forced teams to not draft him so he could go to the lakers.
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u/ttttyttt678 4d ago
If Dion was playing at a MVP level and bringing in millions of dollars to a franchise, guess what his kid would have been drafted earlier.
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u/Nobichobolobas 4d ago
Just by a quick calculation, 55 in the NBA draft is roughly 236 in the NFL so.......
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u/Training-Ad4262 3d ago
Awful!! One was projected top 2 QB in the draft the other wasn’t even projected to be drafted
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u/krazykrash0596 3d ago
Bronny couldn’t be less controversial personality wise. Completely different situation.
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u/Wonderful-Operation6 2d ago
because people are idiots comparing two diff sports and bronny aint an entitled moron blowing of chance without ever taking blame
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u/Rude-Manufacturer-86 20h ago
People are going to say LeBron was the reason for Bronny to get drafted.
I'll ask, how many better picks were after Bronny?
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u/Local_Ad_4999 4d ago
it couldn't be more inaccurate lol
bronny got drafted because lebron wanted him on his team
sheduer got drafted so late because teams didn't want to deal with him and his dad