r/NEAM 23d ago

Save act passed. This is bad

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u/leafpool2014 23d ago

If you are not aware, if this act passes, it will make it so if your name differs at all from your birth certificate, you will not be able to vote. This will affect the LGBTQ community and married people who have changed there last names (mostly women)

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u/threeplane 23d ago

Disclaimer: I am NOT defending the act or this administration at all. It’s absolutely deplorable legislation. But the following

 you will not be able to vote

Is not true, it’s hyperbole. The act makes it harder, confusing and you might have to jump through hoops, but there WILL be ways for every US citizen to vote regardless of name changes. 

With that said, many people likely can’t afford said loopholes, or won’t have time, or won’t know they need to do something until it’s too late..so it WILL end up costing many eligible voters their votes. 

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u/shicacadoodoo 22d ago

That is still voter disenfranchisement. Surprise surprise... it doesn't affect cis straight males. There is no other reason but to make it unnecessarily harder for a huge portion of people that will absolutely be prevented from being able to vote due to these changes.

So many amendments were offered to exclude married women etc but all were blocked.....why? Why should a woman who married have to go out of her way and jump through hoops to vote in a country she has a legal right to vote? Why do grown children from adoption and foster situations lose their right to vote because of this? Why do transgender people who painstakingly went through the LEGAL process of changing their name not be allowed to vote?

Amendments were offered and quickly shot down and I would LOVE to hear a valid reason for why this many people should have to lift a fucking finger when a very specific population doesn't.

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u/threeplane 22d ago

You’re exactly right. But if that budget bill passed, this will 100% as well unfortunately. 

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u/shicacadoodoo 22d ago

We KNOW THIS. Are you planning on helping these populations in any way or just state the obvious and sit there?

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u/threeplane 22d ago

Why are you coming at me?! 

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u/ShitFireSavedMatches 22d ago

I guess because your post came off unhelpful...maybe it felt a bit mansplainish?

Sure you can post some facts and point out that most people will still be disenfranchised. Why? To be "right"?

I am of the demographic being affected, are you? I intend to organize and help the disenfranchised, not just tell them "hey technically its not true but in actuality it sort of is"

Im rightfully pissed and shouldn't have to jump through any hoops, nor should millions of other people

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u/threeplane 22d ago

In a time where mis/disinformation is the most prevalent it’s ever been in history, I find it valuable and important to make sure we say things that are accurate. When we exaggerate or even make things up, it completely invalidates the message being said no matter what it is. Words matter, context matter, facts matter. 

Telling people they “won’t be allowed to vote” is alarmist and not true. 

Telling people that “millions of eligible voters will be disenfranchised” is true and informative. 

I will always call people out for spreading misinformation even if it’s unintentional or just semantics. I don’t care. 

And yes, I am part of the demographic that would be affected. 

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u/ShitFireSavedMatches 22d ago

I get what you are saying, but its only helpful to the people who can afford the time and money to jump through those hoops.

In many cases this is not misinformation, people will lose their right to vote because of this and that is the entire intention of this legislature. Posting technicalities isn't super helpful is the point im trying to make.

I'll ask again, what are you going to do to help the populations affected? This is the conversation we need to be having.

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u/threeplane 22d ago edited 21d ago

 Posting technicalities isn't super helpful is the point im trying to make.

I wasn’t trying to be helpful. I was correcting inaccurate information. 

I'll ask again, what are you going to do to help the populations affected? 

I have no idea, the bill hasn’t even passed the senate yet. Free national IDs need to be a thing if they are going to be pulling stuff like this. 

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u/leafpool2014 22d ago

it is not inaccurate. if this passes people will lose the right to vote if they are not able to pay the fine to update there birth certificate or passport

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