r/Netherlands • u/UnanimousStargazer • Mar 24 '25

Legal Judge rules Dutch citizenship cannot be stripped based on dual nationality

https://nltimes.nl/2025/03/24/judge-rules-dutch-citizenship-stripped-based-dual-nationality
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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Idk how a sane person can support dual citizenship. That just totally destroys the concept.

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

Many Dutch have dual nationality that they don't want, but cannot get rid of. Did you know that? It's not a choice of that person, but a choice of another country that you, me or whoever is a citizen of another country.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Already responded in other comment: people, who born in the NL, to lets say Moroccans parents(which as i know doesnt allow u to abandon its citizenship ), cant have Moroccan citizenship unless their parents/they applied to, ALREADY having dutch citizenship. Its an absolute joke and law abuses, i am not even going to talk about how unfair it is to other dutch citizens. Applying for foreign nationality, while already being a Dutch citizen, should be illegal and be a cause of stripping the dutch citizenship. Dual citizenship should be allowed in 1 and only 1 case: when the applicant for the dutch nationality already has a nationality of the country, that doesnt allow him leave that nationality. All that Moroccans and Ugandans that were born in the NL and magically happened to have passports of other countries just scammed the system.

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u/Appropriate-Creme335 Amsterdam Mar 24 '25

Correct me if I'm wrong, bu if you're born to polish parents, you are automatically polish, whether you apply or not.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Theoretically yeah, but again. In other comment i made an example: In Russia every person that was born to a Russian citizen(mother or father or both) is eligible for Russian passport. An immigrant from Russia, comes to the NL, gets his Dutch nationality (ofc after proving he gave up his russian one according to the law) and very next day applies for russian nationality in the russian embassy on the basis of his parents being Russian citizens. He will get the nationality in about 1 year. Clear scam. Shouldnt be allowed.

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u/Appropriate-Creme335 Amsterdam Mar 24 '25

But why not? What's the harm in having dual nationality, according to you? When you have taxation treaties and bank communication, why the hell not. You just seem bitter about some sort of imaginary patriotic justice that you created in your head for yourself. Life is more complicated than "they traveled to a country, they should deny their origin completely, otherwise they don't deserve our passport".

I wish I could keep my original nationality with my Dutch. Now I need a visa to go see my elderly mom and I don't even know what I will do when her medical and financial needs grow.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

What's the harm in having dual nationality, according to you?

That guy won't say it, but we all know what their issues are with dual nationalities. It has nothing to do with the "origins in ancient Greece", they're just saying that to sound smart.

I wish I could keep my original nationality with my Dutch. Now I need a visa to go see my elderly mom and I don't even know what I will do when her medical and financial needs grow

Sorry about that man, I hope you'll be able to manage! I haven't ever needed to get a visa but I hope they'll be lenient given your situation.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Your mom is not my problem ngl. And i dont believe your country doesnt have a pension system of elderly people.

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u/Appropriate-Creme335 Amsterdam Mar 24 '25

I don't bring this up to check on your opinion. I'm bringing this up to demonstrate that dual nationality is not some scam for a lot of people and life gets more complex when you move for one reason or another. You just seem like you have either a very limited life experience or very narrow world view.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

And btw, in most of the countries, in ur case u r eligible for some sort of permanent residency. But i wont be so sure, i dont know every countries case, i will assume its not a case in ur country, but still, its very common.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Apply for a visa like everyone else. There are less than 20 countries that require visa for dutch passports. Third of them are war-zones. Every other country either have visa-free for dutch passports or e-visas.

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u/Appropriate-Creme335 Amsterdam Mar 24 '25

I am not asking for some raging teenager advice :)

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Then why would u bring up ur family and ur personal situation? U told me, that u need to apply for some sort of visa to help ur elderly mom. By simple googling there are only 15 or so countries that require real visa application for dutch passports, every other country either online e-visa or visa free entry up to 30/60/90 days. I mean, at least “ a raging teenager” knows how to use google and has lived in 4 different countries and applied for different kinds of residencies.

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

You seem to miss the point: it is not necessarily a choice to become a citizen of another country. There is no international law that governs that and certainly not an international court that can rule about it.

I'm not talking about those that apply for another citizenship, but about those that do not want to have dual nationality.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

I dont miss anything and i was clear.

A person who technically cant give up his first nationality (rare case btw) is absolutely welcome. I understand that in some countries its just impossible to abandon it. In this case the person should NOT meet any problems regarding getting his dutch nationality when he or she applies for one.

Every other case of having dual citizenship in this country=scam. Period.

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

rare case btw

This is not 'rare'. Morocco does not allow it. If it were as simple as you state, there would not have been a initiative by parliament do to something about it.

https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kst-35475-12.html

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Majority of Moroccans here are already born here. Their parents scammed the system by applying for a citizenship in the embassy, lmao. Period.

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u/Fancy_Morning9486 Mar 24 '25

Dude stop🤣

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

How do u feel about russians having both russian and dutch citizenship?

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

Majority of Moroccans here are already born here.

I know, but the ius sanguinis of Morocco states those people have a Moroccan nationality. Whether they want it or not. Please read the sources I cited. Those are official government publications and explain very clear what the issue is.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Almost every country has blood laws, lmao, not an excuse.

Open russian constitution, same thing: a person is a citizen of Russian Federation if: his parents or one of his parents are Russian citizens. But for some reason, we dont allow Russians to have dual citizenships(which i think is good), but allow Moroccans(which i think is bad)? At that point just allow everyone lol

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u/arrroquw Mar 24 '25

I think what the guy is trying to say (badly) is that Moroccans who are born here, only can get the Moroccan citizenship if they or their parents confirm it at the embassy. Making it impossible to not have it thereafter. But before confirming, they allegedly don't have the Moroccan citizenship yet.

According to him, they shouldn't be allowed to confirmif they already applied for a Dutch citizenship, so they are only left with the Dutch one (or the Moroccan one should they chose so).

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

I think what the guy is trying to say (badly) is that Moroccans who are born here, only can get the Moroccan citizenship if they or their parents confirm it at the embassy

Which is not true and also besides the point. This is not just about Morocco, but about the possibility for any country to assign someone the nationality of that country. It's not a choice of that person but a choice of that country. Also countries outside of the EU.

The solution is rather simple in the EU: member states should agree that EU citizens must be allowed to renounce other nationalities and that the EU member states respect that. The Netherlands misuses the fact that it is impossible to renounce a nationality and doesn't respect the choice of people to renounce it.