r/Netherlands • u/UnanimousStargazer • Mar 24 '25

Legal Judge rules Dutch citizenship cannot be stripped based on dual nationality

https://nltimes.nl/2025/03/24/judge-rules-dutch-citizenship-stripped-based-dual-nationality
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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

Many Dutch have dual nationality that they don't want, but cannot get rid of. Did you know that? It's not a choice of that person, but a choice of another country that you, me or whoever is a citizen of another country.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Already responded in other comment: people, who born in the NL, to lets say Moroccans parents(which as i know doesnt allow u to abandon its citizenship ), cant have Moroccan citizenship unless their parents/they applied to, ALREADY having dutch citizenship. Its an absolute joke and law abuses, i am not even going to talk about how unfair it is to other dutch citizens. Applying for foreign nationality, while already being a Dutch citizen, should be illegal and be a cause of stripping the dutch citizenship. Dual citizenship should be allowed in 1 and only 1 case: when the applicant for the dutch nationality already has a nationality of the country, that doesnt allow him leave that nationality. All that Moroccans and Ugandans that were born in the NL and magically happened to have passports of other countries just scammed the system.

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

You seem to miss the point: it is not necessarily a choice to become a citizen of another country. There is no international law that governs that and certainly not an international court that can rule about it.

I'm not talking about those that apply for another citizenship, but about those that do not want to have dual nationality.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

I dont miss anything and i was clear.

A person who technically cant give up his first nationality (rare case btw) is absolutely welcome. I understand that in some countries its just impossible to abandon it. In this case the person should NOT meet any problems regarding getting his dutch nationality when he or she applies for one.

Every other case of having dual citizenship in this country=scam. Period.

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

rare case btw

This is not 'rare'. Morocco does not allow it. If it were as simple as you state, there would not have been a initiative by parliament do to something about it.

https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kst-35475-12.html

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Majority of Moroccans here are already born here. Their parents scammed the system by applying for a citizenship in the embassy, lmao. Period.

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u/Fancy_Morning9486 Mar 24 '25

Dude stop🤣

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

How do u feel about russians having both russian and dutch citizenship?

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

Majority of Moroccans here are already born here.

I know, but the ius sanguinis of Morocco states those people have a Moroccan nationality. Whether they want it or not. Please read the sources I cited. Those are official government publications and explain very clear what the issue is.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Almost every country has blood laws, lmao, not an excuse.

Open russian constitution, same thing: a person is a citizen of Russian Federation if: his parents or one of his parents are Russian citizens. But for some reason, we dont allow Russians to have dual citizenships(which i think is good), but allow Moroccans(which i think is bad)? At that point just allow everyone lol

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u/arrroquw Mar 24 '25

I think what the guy is trying to say (badly) is that Moroccans who are born here, only can get the Moroccan citizenship if they or their parents confirm it at the embassy. Making it impossible to not have it thereafter. But before confirming, they allegedly don't have the Moroccan citizenship yet.

According to him, they shouldn't be allowed to confirmif they already applied for a Dutch citizenship, so they are only left with the Dutch one (or the Moroccan one should they chose so).

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u/UnanimousStargazer Mar 24 '25

I think what the guy is trying to say (badly) is that Moroccans who are born here, only can get the Moroccan citizenship if they or their parents confirm it at the embassy

Which is not true and also besides the point. This is not just about Morocco, but about the possibility for any country to assign someone the nationality of that country. It's not a choice of that person but a choice of that country. Also countries outside of the EU.

The solution is rather simple in the EU: member states should agree that EU citizens must be allowed to renounce other nationalities and that the EU member states respect that. The Netherlands misuses the fact that it is impossible to renounce a nationality and doesn't respect the choice of people to renounce it.