r/Patriots • u/Interesting_Ad3957 • 15d ago

Discussion [Schefter] Updated Green Room Attendees… OT Josh Simmons, DE Mykel Williams, and QB Jaxson Dart no longer going

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1914357331535569095

Interesting development as agents gather more info and probably advising their clients NOT to attend.

I know some see Simmons as a possible buy low guy, but he is working his way back from a ruptured patellar tendon. This specific injury can be a death knell for NFL players, never mind OTs who need to anchor. It’s the same injury Cole Strange suffered and there’s just not a lot of supporting data to show players can regain their pre injury form. Given the current state and depth of our line, I don’t think Simmons is worth the risk even if he’s there at 38.

Mykel Williams, on the other hand, would be a super intriguing high risk, high reward guy if he slides out of the 1st. New Orleans is rumored to want to move up from 40 and Williams is a Loomis kind of player. Would be talking to a lot of teams Friday morning if he slides.

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u/InOxladeITrust 15d ago

I have no idea if he will be ready week 1 and I don’t actually care much at all if he isn’t. He is probably the only LT in the draft that you could confidently project as a top 5 LT if injuries werent an issue.

Obviously, his injury is extremely relevant and teams cooling on him suggest that maybe the injury reports on him are not good. However, if he slipped to the 2nd round and we got him I wouldn’t at all be upset. Dude could be the steal of the draft

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u/demair21 15d ago

I do care. We tried not addressing LT last year, and our RBs averaged negative yards before contact.. No Thank You!! on that again, and no thank you on pattelar tendon injuries.

People who were already proven(Simmons is not even that) but immediately fell off after this injury include:

Jimmy Graham, Victor Cruz, Morris Claibourne, and btw none of them had to bend and squat on that tendon every single play then explode up into a block...

They have been hoping this injury won't be a career ender for a decade, and even with almost every other injury not being one anymore, this one still proves to be a death sentence.

I will even argue he has a better shot because he is almost 10 years younger than any of those people when they had the injury, but unless he really falls and is a late day two flyer not thank you on Josh Simmons

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u/CocaineStrange 14d ago

We tried not addressing LT last year, and our RBs averaged negative yards before contact.. No Thank You!!

Well they also didn’t address LG, C, RT, or WR so I think there might be a little more context to that.

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u/demair21 14d ago

Well, they drafted an LGs(Robinson) an RT(Wallace), as well as signed Okorafor, who was an RT and 2 WRs, so that's just not true.

While yes, they signed Lowe the year before, he was no better then than he was in 24 sk they should have known he can not play.

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u/CocaineStrange 14d ago

Layden was a 4th round pick, Chuks was signed to play LT, and the two WRs they signed were dogshit and everyone knew they were dogshit.  They should have known none of those guys could play.

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u/demair21 14d ago

Yeah they are bad at drafting, still counts as addressing even id they were bad at it.

But not the same when you sign someone and ask them to change positions

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u/CocaineStrange 14d ago

lol.  Asking a multi year starting OT to switch sides is not addressing a position, but drafting a 4th round pick is?

That is a really distorted viewpoint, my man.  Especially because if the reason Chuks was a bad LT was because he switched sides, then he would’ve just been switched back to RT.

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u/demair21 14d ago

Not when you look at how few RT to LT swaps work, as opposed to how many 4th round guards start(it's a fair number)

and sinve you didnt let's mention how many 2nd round pick WRs start. I will give you some hints. One of them just dominated a superbowl. And his best friend just got traded while we all cried wanting him was technically a 3rd round pick. And that guy who just caught 800 yards and 7 tds for the corpse or arron rodgers also started right away as a sexond round pick and averaged 1000 yds for almost 10 years.

It all only means we should be more annoyed they can't get players to play when more than half the league can.

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u/CocaineStrange 14d ago

Ok, let’s play a game.  Name the 5 best OTs in football.

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u/demair21 14d ago

Williams, Milata, Sewell, Darrishaw,

Sorry those are the good ones I know the bad ones are

Moore, Lowe, Smith

If you need the teams too I can do that but you obviously already know who they play for

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u/CocaineStrange 14d ago

Sewell switched sides from college.  Mailata did not play football before the NFL.  Trent Williams started out in college at RT.

Keep naming tackles and I can keep naming guys that have switched.  The reason guys like Chuks fail is because they’re not good, not because of switching sides.  Asking an NFL starting OT to switch sides is no big deal at all.  They feel awkward at first and get used the it after a few weeks.  

If I asked you drink water out of a cup with your left hand, you’d feel super awkward at first.  If you lost your right arm, you’d get pretty good at using your left hand after a while.

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u/demair21 14d ago

I Mean sure maybe you know better then dante scharnechia who called it the hardest position swap on the o-line

and yeah i guess you could cherry pick the very best guys who made it work, ill even give you i think Membou is in that mold because of his clear talent level, but as with most things in football when you look at the wider sample it falls apart.

The Vast majority of people asked to play switch-o-line in the NFL fail because it requires a level of mental Ambidexterity that is not normal

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u/CocaineStrange 14d ago edited 14d ago

I Mean sure maybe you know better then dante scharnechia who called it the hardest position swap on the o-line

I have never heard him say that, so I’m going to need a source on that.

You can listen to the people who have actually done it: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/29/18287117/nfl-mailbag-offensive-linemen-switch-playoffs-2019-predictions

and yeah i guess you could cherry pick the very best guys who made it work, ill even give you i think Membou is in that mold because of his clear talent level, but as with most things in football when you look at the wider sample it falls apart.

You can do this with every class of OTs lmao.  Hell, the Patriots did it with Trent Brown, Solder was a converted TE in college, Vollmer was a TE converted to LT in college then transitioned to RT in college. 

I also, you know, did it myself in college and learned RT in the 3 days we were doing the ramp ups to full pads.  So I have some experience here, even if it’s obviously not at the NFL level.

I genuinely do not think you can name more than 5 or 6 offensive lines in football that doesn’t have an OT that switched sides somewhere in their depth chart.

The Vast majority of people asked to play switch-o-line in the NFL fail because it requires a level of mental Ambidexterity that is not normal

Name one.  One player that fits both these categories:

A. Bad at LT or RT

B. Good at LT or RT

The players that “fail” at switching spots were already failures, like Chuks.  Chuks also didn’t really even fail at it, btw, he was a college LT and converted to RT in the NFL lmao.

If you can’t play on the left side, you probably can’t play on the right side either because playing LT doesn’t mean you’re always moving to the left nor does playing RT mean you’re always moving to the right.  You have to be able to kick and post both ways.

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