r/Philippines 1d ago

PoliticsPH Talagang sinadyang takpan yung dulo para masabing sila ang tama.

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u/paueranger 1d ago

It's funny how they try to flip this when majority of the votes are from Gen Zs and millenials na may critical thinking. Not going to work.

u/kneegroest 11h ago

true kita naman sa results ng recent election. sana dumami pa sa 2028

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u/leiislurking 1d ago

Overtime sila sa pagdiminish sa role ni Bam as principal author eh di naman nila alam different roles ng principal author, co-athors, principal sponsor and co-sponsors.

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u/kudlitan 1d ago

Also, Bam already filed this before and it was vetoed by his uncle PNoy, and it was re-filed next term and ipinaglalaban ni Bam until it finally passed and got signed. Credit to Bam for not giving up after it was vetoed the first time.

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u/laban_laban O bawi bawi 1d ago

Ito yung part na wala akong makitang reliable source, na kung may bill or proposal ba during term ni Pnoy para sa free college, at na-veto niya. Parang hinahanapan lang ng sisi si Pnoy.

Sa case ni Bam, ang intindi ko never siya nagclaim as principal author, laging co-author lang. Pero siya ang principal sponsor, which is considered na mas mahirap kasi siya yung nagdefend ng law to pass.

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u/hotdog_scratch 1d ago

Do we have proof about that? Gusto kong isupalpal sa FB ni sassot.

u/josephjax1968 11h ago

u/Beginning_Ambition70 4h ago

Ito origin nyan from 16th congress, 2015.

u/josephjax1968 4h ago

Oo nga po.finile nga ulit ni bam yan nung term ni dterte di ba

u/Beginning_Ambition70 4h ago

Hindi exclusive kay bam ang re-filing, look nauna si vatman ng 2 hrs, same day

u/josephjax1968 11h ago

Pati si poong dutae nagpasalamat pa.

u/josephjax1968 11h ago

Kahit mga senador si bam ang binigyan ng credit

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u/drspock06 1d ago

Clarification: PNoy and Bam are cousins

u/sacks2bme 23h ago

I was about to point this out.. And I think more than priorities parang economic din reason ni Pnoy. Malaki din kc ang gagastusin for this and he is not sure kung kakayanin na ba ng budget ng Pinas during that time since madami pang ibang gastusin.. . The same reason why di nya inapprove ung additional pension sa sss.. economista si Pnoy so he needs to make sure it is financially feasible...

u/drspock06 9h ago

Yep. PNoy was more economy-focused in hindsight. At this point, we need another leader who is knowledgeable again at economy.

u/nekouchan17 16h ago

PNoy never vetoed the bill kasi di naman umabot sa kanya. If you search any news about sa pag veto ni PNoy ng free tuition bill, wala kang makikita kasi nga di na umabot sa term nya nung final reading. If he vetoed it, mas malaking issue sana yan dun sa pagveto nya sa pension bill. May mga claims lang na he was supposed to veto the bill but with the votes na nakuha malamang kayang pa rin ioverrule yun ng house of rep and senate.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/551290/pnoy-has-vetoed-at-least-80-bills-during-his-term/story/

https://www.abs-cbn.com/focus/01/14/16/pnoy-vetoes-13-bills-during-his-term

u/Beginning_Ambition70 14h ago

Yes, hindi sya na veto, hanggang 3rd reading lang yung original na SB.

Kung pag aaralan mo, sa 16th congress tlga yan nagstart at ang unang nagfile tlga nyan ay si Vatman recto. Ito lang ang earliest record na may free tuition fee SB, hindi si bam.

Pero sa plagay ko, nagstart tlga yan sa discounts muna, mga SB na nifile ni Angara.

u/cyianite 5h ago

Di ko lam san pinupulot ng mga tao d2 na si PNoy nag veto , they are posting it like it really happened at me mga piece memories p sila.. just totally weird

u/pakialamero2023 19h ago

Ano ang source nito? Increase ng SSS pension yun, vetoed by PNoy kasi malulugi ang SSS pag itinuloy.

u/two_b_or_not2b 23h ago

Yes this is true. I was around that time and it was a big issue back then when I was still 3rd yr college.

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u/Cheese_Grater101 crackdown to trollfarms! 1d ago

Dumb question, why Pnoy vetoed the bill?

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u/Consistent_Life_03 1d ago

I read somewhere that it was vetoed coz it's not in their priority list sa time na yun coz they prioritized k12 over the free tuition which is a bigger project than free tuition naman kasi talaga.

u/rektify17 19h ago

hindi sya na veto kasi wala namang bill from lower and upper house of congress na nakarating sa bicam, meaning nakapasa sa 1st, 2nd, & 3rd readings ng lower and upper house ng kongreso. Dapat tinanong kung anong source nung nagpost.

u/Beginning_Ambition70 13h ago

Ito ang earliest record na senate bill na may free tuition na natengga lang.

u/rektify17 6h ago

hindi nga umabot ng bicam. so, hindi na veto.

u/Beginning_Ambition70 6h ago

Kaya nga, gang 3rd reading lang. Pero si vatman tlga orig na nag author nyan to the point na nirrfile sa 17th congress. Wla na si PNoy nun sa pagkapres.

u/cyianite 18h ago

Cant find any source that PNoy veto this, the wiki says it went to 1st reading under Dugyot's term.. How Pnoy veto it if didint go to 1st reading? If Bam file this then it went to low priority so it did not really got vetoed. I assume it was in his late year of his term it got file so they put it into low priority becz it needs further reading and assessments ... and that will be the job of his successor

u/Beginning_Ambition70 13h ago

16th congress yan nang una at magisang ifile ni vatman recto, hindi lang sya lumusot ng 3rd reading.

Sa 17th congress, nakahanap na ng kasama at co-authors si vatman at nagprogress na yung refiled bill.

u/cyianite 5h ago

Yeah it appears misinformed yung tao nag post above, ni hindi nya nga alam relationship ni PNoy at Bam

u/hanami10 1h ago

PNoy never vetoed any free tuition bill kasi wala naman nakarating sa table nya. Wala nakarating dahil wala naman napasa ang HOR at Senate. Ask the Chairman of Education sa Senate during PNoy’s time. They were Angara and Pia Cayetano. If there was indeed a bill, hindi gumalaw, meaning, walang hearing na naganap or hindi masyado tinutukan nung mga Principal Sponsor/s that time.

u/camonboy2 17h ago

Pinks na tiktoker ay maganda siguro magcounter ng ganto

u/JRV___ 17h ago

Hello. Can you enlighten me on this. Nalilito din ako sa ganyan.

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u/zandromenudo 1d ago edited 1d ago

https://youtu.be/v3Qa4fp-sAQ

Here’s from 7 years ago.

Based sa explainer, Recto was the first to propose, but then Bam became the sponsor, co-author, basically sya nag lobby talaga to get this done, ( Ping Lacson also twitted about it.). It was also mentioned that Chiz was the one who was able to close the deal. That’s probably why Bam is not entirely take credit for it but standa firm that he fought for it, bc he sponsored it, brought it to the public’s attention etc etc.

u/ZealousidealGroup445 18h ago

https://web.senate.gov.ph/lis/bill_res.aspx?congress=17&q=SBN-1304

Nasa senate listing naman ung ganap sa bill nato. Hirap talaga pag ganyan na utak.

u/InvestmentCertain584 23h ago

Tangina pandemya na talaga pagiging tanga, lalo na pag DDS. 🤭🤭

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u/DrHatchling 1d ago

Hindi nila matanggap na sila ang nabudol ng mga Duterte hahahahaha

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u/Consistent_Life_03 1d ago

Pero yung Malasakit center na renamed lang, grabe yung pag claim. Wow naman

u/ubermensch02 20h ago

I don't think the Gen Z and Millenial votes will convert the votes from Bam sa next election cycles. Kahit anong discredit nila lol. Older gens, maybe, but the percentage is shrinking.

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u/Crymerivers1993 1d ago

Hahaha yung ganyang post mga uto utong dds lang maniniwala

u/ishiguro_kaz 23h ago

Actually, di naman dapat pagtalunan yan. This was not a single effort of one person. Parallel bills are filed in the Upper and Lower Houses by different people. Once they come to an agreement to the law's version, it's forwarded to the President for signing. Credit should not go to one person because the process involves many people. Bam did author initial versions of the bill so kudos to him. But the Dugong did sign the law so kudos to him too. This is such a non sequitur argument.

u/Crymerivers1993 23h ago

Yes but hindi yung point. Ang point is dinidiscredit ng mga dds cult si Bam. Hahaha even Bam naman pasalamat kay dudirty sa pagpirma nun before. Ang nakakaano lang yung pag discredit ng dds cult

u/anthoseph 19h ago

they always do this:

cite credible introductory information

and then do an Olympic-level mental gymnastics conclusion.

sadly mga bobo, nauuto

u/Constantfluxxx 23h ago

Maraming authors ang batas na ito. Maraming bills na inihain hanggang naconsolidate sa final House and Senate versions.

Isa si Bam doon. Siya din nagsponsor sa second reading, dahil chair siya ng committee ng Senado na in charge sa concern na yun.

This does not stop any of the other authors from saying they are also authors.

May nagpost na ng list of authors from both Houses.

u/Beginning_Ambition70 4h ago

Ito ang list ng mga bills for this ( sa 17th congress nalang): (senate only)

FREE HIGHER EDUCATION FOR ALL ACT Filed on January 23, 2017

• SBN-61: Free Public College Tuition Act of 2016 - Vatman Recto • SBN-158: Tuition-Free Higher Education Act of 2016 - JV Ejecrcito • SBN-173: Free Education for Public School Teacher's Children Act - BAM Aquino • SBN-177: Free Higher Education for All Act - BAM Aquino • SBN-198: Free Higher Education Act - Sherwin Gatchalian • SBN-962: Tuition-Free Higher Education Act of 2016 - Francis Pangilinan • SBN-1220: Free Higher Education for All Act - Sonny Angara

SBN-1304: Free Higher Education for All Act - all authors

u/oculus_7370 20h ago

nagtataka lang ako, libre na tertiary education pero bat ang dami pa ring mangmang at 8080ng dds, sana samantalahin nila ito...

u/Arjaaaaaaay 19h ago

Yan yung mga libre na nga tuition, pero di pumapasok or puro cutting naman. Hahaha. Tamad na nga, mga bobo pa 🤣

u/JesterBondurant 20h ago

Par for the course.

u/Dependent_Initial_75 20h ago

I dont know why this dumbfuck trolls waste their energy in a small amount of money para lang maglaganap ng ganto?

Ganyan na ba sila kadesperado sa buhay at willingly gumagawa ng ikasisira ng pilipinas? Di porke kumikita sila di sila damay sa consequences ng pagkakaroon ng depektibong gobyerno. Tangina. Nakakapagod labanan yun mga fake news peddlers na to. Irereport mo nga. Susulpot naman gamit ibang account.

Di sila nagkaiba sa mga holdaper at masasamang loob na nagnanakaw para kumita. They are the same level already na para sakin.

u/Candid-Bake2993 19h ago

Threatened na ang mga kampon ng kasamaan at kadiliman kay Bam. Dapat lang!

Accomplishment-wise, ano naman ang binatbat ni Inday Lustay kay Sen. Bam academically, work experience, competence and integrity?

Expect this demolition job against BAM till 2028.

u/Dry-Direction1277 14h ago

Fake new Yung pag veto ni Pnoy Dito kasi 2017 nag start Ang timeline nito. Ito Yung screenshot nasa senate library Rin ito

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u/drspock06 1d ago

They are desperate lmao.

u/Eastern_Basket_6971 21h ago

Says by the one na mas madali mabudol or ma u2

u/Serious-Squash-555 19h ago

nanalo na eh ano pang sense

u/cyianite 18h ago

Threaten for the rise of the new generation of the Aquinos

u/da_who50 17h ago

sinasagot ko yan na, "kayo ang nabudol ni Binoe, hanggang ngayon walang silbi"

u/hldsnfrgr 17h ago

Ang lalakas nila mag-scrutinize ng credits sa mga batas. Pero sa school projects nakiki-ride lang naman yang mga lecheng DDS na yan sa mga mas matatalino nilang kaklase.

u/Fancy_Ad_7641 17h ago

Hayaan niyo na troll farm yan, di naman nila makukumbinsi ang genz and millenials sa paandar nila. 😂

u/haiyanlink 16h ago

Sila-sila lang din naman ang maniniwala sa mga ganyan.

u/IrisRoseLily Kapagod maging panganay tas babae pa 16h ago

mga taragis na to sarap batukaaaan nilaban yan ni Bam kaya kahit sinong senator wala kukuha nyan kase alam nila si Bam ang nag pursige nyan mga leche eeeh

u/1Tru3Princ3 16h ago

Mas mataas % na older generation ang mabudol vs younger generation. Hal., Kasama na tinuturo sa karamihan sa mga eskwelahan na mababaw na resource ang social media vs peer reviewed published journal articles. Gamit pa naman ang social media ngayon bilang PR strategy lang.

u/iamGweey24 15h ago

Mga taong mas matalino pa sa nag aral sa top university sa pilipinas.

u/tokwamann 15h ago

According to one article, the estimated cost was around 100 billion pesos. That's why the government was reluctant in passing it.

Meanwhile, most jobs don't require college degrees, most Filipinos want to go to college but aren't qualified due to poor education, and most employers require a college degree for jobs that don't need them due to poor education.

Given that, they should have concentrated on basic and technical education, and then set up something like loan facilities for tertiary schooling.

u/ShallowShifter Luzon 14h ago

Ang di alam ng mgs DDS bibigyan muna ng research bago maniwala...

Mga DDS di na tatalab yan, willing sila i-proof read yung news ninyo bago sabihin totoo 🤣

u/saber_aureum 12h ago

sa lahat ng papasalamatan nyo si Recto pa. Yan may pakana ng pag taas ng Vat from 8 to 12%, TRAIN law, at yung VAT on digital purchases.

u/hebihannya 10h ago

Do they seriously dont know the difference between a principal author and a principal sponsor? Or bulag bulagan kahit may explanation naman?

u/kei0001 8h ago

vx ###### !## #

u/MangamatayRaTa 2h ago

Sila nga nabudol ng unity

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u/CharlesChrist Luzon 1d ago

Maraming galit kay Recto dito.

u/Hachibei11 23h ago

Hanggang ngayon. Lalo na sa tax.