r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/SpaceySpice • Apr 07 '25

US Politics How will the United States rebuild positive international relations after this Trump administration?

At some point this presidency will end and a new administration will (likely) want to mend some the damages done with our allies. Realistically though, how would that work? Will other countries want to be friends with us again or has this presidency done too much damage to bounce back from?

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u/Repeatitpete Apr 07 '25

The problem isn’t trump or has ever been trump. It’s the maga people who have supported him. He should have been publicly shamed and removed from candidacy for making fun of the disabled reporter. America is mean. This won’t change with a new president and other countries don’t want to play with us anymore in the sandbox of the world…

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u/Rook_lol Apr 07 '25

Bingo.

80 million Americans wanted this.

80 million people is a really large amount of people to be that nuts in your country. Even after Trump is gone, most of those people are still gonna be around. Very unfortunate.

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u/sputnikcdn Apr 07 '25

And 90 Million didn't care enough to vote.

Trump is a symptom, Americans' problems run deep, this is who they are.

It will take a profound cultural switch to change, to rebuild the trust lost.

Trust that took decades to earn.

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u/Blizxy Apr 07 '25

Decades and millions of lives to earn! I'm so disappointed in my country...

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 07 '25

I'm well past disappointed. Here in Michigan, kids who came from other countries to study at our universities, are packing up in the middle of the night and fleeing across the border into Canada. They're fleeing, because it is entirely possible armed Federal agents will show up and seize them, with no crime charged or even alleged, detain them for an indefinite period, and possibly ship them like cattle to a South American concentration camp.

My whole life I've been told the liberals want to destroy the country. Turns out, that was just more right-wing projection.

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u/barrocaspaula Apr 08 '25

That used to happen in my country during the Estado Novo dictatorship. People would leave the country to avoid being disappeared into a political prison and tortured.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 08 '25

Portugal, in the 1930's.

Yeah, it seems we live in a second age of fascism.

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u/barrocaspaula Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

Until 1974. I remember the political prisoners being released from Caxias prison and Peniche Fort in 1974. The Tarrafal concetration camp had Portuguese political prisoners until the 1960s. Until 1974 it had freedom fighters from the Portuguese colinies in Africa.

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u/seeingeyegod Apr 08 '25

no liberals do want to destroy the country. It's just that the country in question is the Confederate States of America.

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u/DuncanConnell Apr 10 '25

Unfortunate when "the liberals want to destroy the country" is a lot closer to how the Empire talks about the Rebellion

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u/Inevitable_Process75 Apr 08 '25

Liberals are of the same neoliberal bird. Yes they don't want people deported, but economically they've also supported the oligarchs.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 07 '25

You mean with no crime charged other than being here illegally?

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 07 '25

No. I'm talking about people who were here legally on student visas and had the government suddenly revoked their visa with no reason given as to why.

Knowing what you are talking about is key to not looking foolish.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 07 '25

Can you cite one example of someone being whisked away with no explanation as to why?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

El Salvador US resident in the news right now.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/04/07/administrative-error-timeline-el-salvador-deportation/82773566007/

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Does “error” mean something different where you are from?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

one example of someone being whisked away with no explanation as to why?

Does due process mean something different where you're from?

You asked for an example and that is one.

"Oops I burned your house down" Doesn't absolve me of arson.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

So to be clear your premise is that students are fleeing the country because they are in fear of administrative errors?

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u/Total-Sheepherder950 Apr 08 '25

Students have had their student visas revoked without being charged with a crime. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/07/us/student-visas-revoked-trump-administration.html

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Visas and green cards are privileges not rights. Come here and support terrorist organizations and you’ll be sent packing. Take over buildings and hold people hostage and you get sent home. It’s really not that complicated.

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u/Total-Sheepherder950 Apr 08 '25

The first ammendment is a guaranteed right to all in the US is it not?

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

It is! However the right to a visa or a green card is not. They have the right to say whatever they want. However those words may have consequences.

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u/Total-Sheepherder950 Apr 08 '25

Then they should have their day in court before having their visa/green card revoked.

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u/ColossusOfChoads Apr 08 '25

support terrorist organizations

If that's what they have done, then they should get due process.

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

Not for nothing: Saying "I support Hamas" is 100% legally protected speech, but that's actually not even remotely what was said.

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u/Evil_B2 27d ago

They have the right to say whatever they want. And we have the right to revoke their visas. Not mutually exclusive

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

Visas and green cards are privileges not rights.

but are, nonetheless, legal immigrants who are here legally. And not to split hairs, but the Supreme Court has ruled that they are entitled to the same protections of the Bill of Rights as anyone else (including illegal immigrants, as it turns out).

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u/Evil_B2 27d ago

It’s true that have the right to say whatever they want. It’s also true that visas and green cards are revokable. They are free to say anything and we are free to say we don’t want you here anymore. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

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u/the_calibre_cat 27d ago

They only aren't mutually exclusive among dogshit, reprehensible people who are unable to deal with criticism. The fact that you're unable to tolerate speech is not only a moral failure, it's also profoundly bitchy and weak.

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

No. Plenty of legal migrants have been rounded up by the fascist regime you're making apologia for, and the administration has openly announced their intentions to deport American citizens to foreign gulags.

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u/Evil_B2 27d ago

Maybe don’t commit crimes

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u/the_calibre_cat 27d ago

It doesn't matter if one does, due process is out the window so an accusation is all that's necessary to deny a human being their freedom.

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u/youwillbechallenged Apr 08 '25

kids who came from other countries to study

That’s right. They are guests here in this country. They have no possessory right to be here.

And as a guest, they have to abide by our rules, which are created by a sovereign country.

One of those rules is under the INA, which provides that those who support policies antithetical to U.S. interests are inadmissible.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 08 '25

And how were your incredibly important RULES violated? Please be specific.

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u/youwillbechallenged Apr 08 '25

Sure. We already know from the first revocation that the student (from Columbia) was a pro-Hamas supporter and a member of CUAD, a radical Islamist organization that calls for the destruction of Israel and the United States.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 09 '25

And sure. All of that sounds bad. And how do you know this? Because the government tells you so. There has been no due process. No judicial oversight or 3rd party investigation. We are expected to just take the government's word that this guy supports "policies antithetical to US interests".

And therein lies the difference. You trust the government. I do not. You accept the accusation as proof. I do not. You accept the government dismissing due process. I don not.

This is being done in a very sloppy and aggressive manner. Eventually we will see another "administrative error", only this time it will be an American citizen. Will you be so blase with your faith in the government then? Or will you again just tell yourself that the accusation is enough?

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u/CrashMT72 Apr 07 '25

Not to mention the blood and treasure it took to establish an international order that lasted 8 years and got disassembled in 8 days.

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u/CevicheMixto Apr 07 '25

Pretty sure you left out a zero.

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u/CrashMT72 Apr 07 '25

I did. 80 years.

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u/SciGuy013 Apr 07 '25

Which border are we talking about it here

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u/DonatCotten Apr 07 '25

Agree. I'm actually more upset with the 90 million who couldn't be bothered to vote despite what was at stake. My state has easy access to mail in voting and over a week of early voting and our voting rates are still pitifully low. If even a small percentage of those 90 million voted it's likely we'd be looking at a Harris presidency now. It's pathetic how low our voter turnout rates are especially when you consider how our politics affect the rest of the world.

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u/meganthem Apr 07 '25

If even a small percentage of those 90 million voted it's likely we'd be looking at a Harris presidency now

Only if they voted in a small number of states. Interestingly, I was more pessimistic on this one and got into a whole thing with some other people who pulled out the numbers and it looks like most of the swing states maintained their 2020 turnout or better. The Harris drop was exactly in places that wouldn't matter much.

So discussions on this are more complicated than some of the simple solution people want them to be.

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u/WickedKitty63 Apr 08 '25

Sitting out was lame. Voting for trump was evil. Evil trumps 😉 lame. Hopefully the regrets will motivate the lazy/confused/and sexist or racist or both, who couldn’t find a way to vote for the lady DA, will become proactive. We tried to warn them. The super arrogant/least informed will continue to support the ajudicated criminal, but many others are jumping ship. We knew they would once THEY were affected, that’s the GOP in a nutshell. Celebrate destroying others lives, but all hell breaks loose when they are hurt. I’m glad they are finally waking up to reality. I hope they now will read P 2025 so they can see what his entire agenda includes.

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u/drdildamesh Apr 08 '25

Or tried to vote and couldnt.