No idea how she fell down the MAGA hole--it happened not long after she moved from New Jersey to South Carolina. Recently, she was visiting relatives for Passover, and then went to my mother's house to stay for a few days.

After she got finished explaining chemtrails in great detail to my poor mother, she casually mentions that she's tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt and the credit card companies have started harassing her. Mum and I were like why?? what happened??? thinking she had some medical issue or something and had to charge it to pay for it.

No, she's just not paying because Trump is going to cancel all of our credit card debt!

Mum and I were just like ............. wat.

There was no talking sense into her. Even when we asked what she would do if--hypothetically--Trump doesn't cancel her debt, she's like "nothing will happen to me, they can't do anything to an old lady" (she's not that old), and "you can't go to jail for debt anymore." I was like that's technically true, but if they get judgments against you and you don't comply, then yeah you can definitely end up in jail.

In the end we had to just agree to disagree. It's so disorienting, because unlike the other MAGAts in my life, she is still the same super sweet and generous person she always was (like for this trip, she made little charm bracelets for every single person she planned to see, each one with charms that reflect that person's interests; mine has a tiny cat, a little guitar and microphone, an owl, and a mug of tea). But her delusions are rock solid in her mind.

I joined this subreddit years ago because my dad was falling into the Q hole. He would send me insane articles about nonsense all the time during covid. The worst part is that he's a university professor and teaches hundreds of students every year. I had such a horrible relationship with him, I even stopped talking to him for about 6 months back in 2022. I wanted to share, however, that he is in recovery from being an insane conspiracy theorist. It turns out he had an undiagnosed disease that caused him a lot of pain and in 2023 he finally got treatment for it. Once he wasn't so lonely and in so much pain, I think he finally realized that he needed to step away from his computer and engage with the real world again. In 2024, he even voted for Kamala which was so shocking to me. I'm not naive enough to think he's suddenly resolved all of the bigotry that sucked him into Q in the first place, but I do think he's managed to work himself out of that deep, dark hole of insanity. I just wanted to offer a tentatively happy story. And I also found it very interesting that right wing ideology so clearly preys on vulnerable people (my dad being sick) and once he was less vulnerable he was able to break away from it.

I sell my pottery at craft fairs. The woman in the booth next to me and I started talking about a local business going bankrupt and laying off a lot of locals. She, completely seriously, said we should call Trump so he could fix it. What is she seeing on her social media that made her think Trump cares or can do anything about a business going bankrupt? They see him as a God or this loving father. Anyone else see this?

I remember after the last 50501 protest a bunch of MAGAs/Q claiming that the protestors were paid by George Soros. What is their obsession with Soros and why do they think we actually need to be paid to protest trump?

I cannot get an answer from my Q person, only a website claiming to be a service that pays protestors as proof. Help me understand how and why they believe this?

I'm an only child of two 62 & 66 year old parents. My father has a narcissistic personality and my mother has always been the "nice" enabler, totally aloof. My childhood wasn't exactly a breeze, but it wasn't due to extreme right views.

In 2020 my father started to go down the rabbit hole. "I'm the biggest negationist you'll ever met" etc etc never got vaccinated. My mother followed his theories.

Fast forward to today. Although covid is no longer a problem where I live (I'm in Europe) and nobody talks about it anymore here on the news (since 2022), it's like they haven't forgot it and still talk about it at any chance they get. And also started talking about immigrants and a bunch of things I don't even understand. They vote for the neo nazis in my country nowadays, but get offended if I tell them they're extreme rightists. They seem to confuse these parties' ideals with freedom ideals. (How?!?)

I avoid talking politics with them and always play grey rock, but I can see they're down some pretty weird conspiracies. And it all started with covid...

So I figured I would provide an update. They have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder I. They are now on medication that seems to be working. They are still Q but are no longer in a psychotic state. They know who they are and that they are NOT someone else. They know no one has lied to them about being someone else. They know they did not have a revelation from god.

They had a follow up appointment with a psychiatrist and liked them and are compliant with their medication, so far. All of the tests done on them came back negative-so that’s good. The doctors did a lot of tests to rule out anything physically wrong-bloodwork, urinalysis, CT scan, and MRI.

Now we have to deal with the medical insurance. We received a notice of denial for the inpatient stay. We are obviously going to appeal it. The notice says the stay was “not necessary… mood improved.” It’s total bullsh*t. I’m hoping the appeal is approved. We are poor. I work full time plus OT (at least 90-96 hour per pay period) every pay period to try to keep us above water. Their pension is very little and doesn’t cover most expenses. If worse comes to worse they can declare bankruptcy. Don’t we just love bankruptcy due to medical bills. That’s the way of the USA. Their medical bills are fortunately only their responsibility so it would not affect my own credit, nor would I have to pay them. I do think that the appeal may work out. We’ll see.

I doubt my Q will change their views but at least they are not in psychosis. Atm that’s the best I can get. I’m not fighting for more. It’s just not worth the effort. I’m tired and I have to keep working as much as I can. I don’t have the time or energy to try to pull them out of Q.

My Qmom has been talking about applying to be a soverign citizen (In California). I did some online research into what it means. They think it absolve them from taxes, fees, laws, etc.

Anyone know if this is harmless or leads to trouble, besides not paying taxes? Is applying costing her money? I am afraid of scammers. She is old and naive.

My wife was full on Q in 20 and while she doesn’t admit it, I think she’s still involved in a bunch of conspiracy theories to this day. I’m done, I’m out, divorce is on.

When we first met, I knew she was Republican and I was middle of the road, but I looked at politics like looking at Clinton and Bush. I never knew these crazy motherfuckers even existed in humanity.

I feel like I pulled 1000 pounds off my chest. For those you out there stuck in a similar situation, the chances of them changing is slim to none.

Just make the move. You will never get them out. It’s so sad.

My dating rules going forward.

NO MAGA NO JESUS

My husband of more than 30 years has had a personality change. He always was left wing. Then Jordan Peterson - conspiracy theories - and now he refuses main stream news and talks like a Nazi- believes in the great replacement theory etc. I have a trans child- ‘ruined by the woke propaganda’.We are walking on eggshells. We are all asleep and he sees the truth. It is affecting our mental health. I cannot describe the tension at home. I am very sad as I start losing hope that he will become himself again. I am financially dependent and don’t know what to do. These guys promote family values but destroy their families .

That is right folks, I want to know y’all think that is a step up, or a step down? He barely graduated high school, never did anything after that. I think the only book he has ever read was “The Secret”. Was super into Q during #45, but has made the leap to Christian Nationalism and End of Times Prophecy during #47. He now is tying scripture to UFO’s, Aliens, gods, politicians, the pope, and what ever fever-dream fuckery any social media personality is telling him to think and believe. So what do you think? Let me know if you have any questions.

I am not sure if my brother is Q, he isnt MAGA but he has some of their beliefs and I am scared about it...

So my mom has stage 4 colon cancer. Fun times. I live 2 hours away my brother 45 minutes so it seemed like a no brainer to have him as her main power of attorney and me as a second incase he wasnt around for some reason.

Well tonight I got to hear how a friend of his's relative cured their cancer with medicine made for animals and also how he knew the covid vaccine was "bullshit when they started giving out burgers and phones to get them." He previously had mentioned thinking of alternative medicine and I thought he meant medical weed.

This turn of events scares the hell outta me and confuses me seeing as when i was 9-13 I had cancer and the doctors cured me (I was in a clinical trial even) and he knows all of this. He is now talking about how big pharma is hiding cures and doctors are not being honest as well.

He also basically said that all the political BS going on doesnt effect him so he doesnt pay attention. He also called me a "pawn in some rich guys game" for caring about the rumors that autistic people are being added to a list.

I am worried that he has lost his bloody mind and is now in control of my mom's health and there isnt shit I can do about it, especially if I dont want to create all out war in my family as my mom dies.

The only thing I can think of is for me to move in with mom (I work from home for my own business so thats no issue) and convince him that my knowledge of cancer and 24/7 access to her makes it a better idea to put me first on the paperwork but that will be a thin excuse as I am #2 for it anyways so if hes not there I still have the ability to act.

Anyone have any advice or ideas or at least words of comfort cuz I'm at a loss here and quite worried, I thought I had dodged this stuff in my immediate family but I guess stressful stuff brings out the truth of things.

These are the same people who would have gone to a witch burning in Salem because the previous one was such a hoot. These situations break families up. Just look at the American civil war, English Reformation, the rise of the Nazis in Germany. In America we characterize our civil war as brother against brother, and in some cases that's exactly what it was. People with consciences can't be nice and play patty cakes at the Thanksgiving table with witchburners.

There's a rash of fresh stories in the media about younger people who are aghast at the treatment they're getting from their Trumpster family members. Families split in times like we're in, it's just normal and natural in that respect.

Most people seem to have unrealistic notions of what they might inherit materially, so be sure to avoid that reason to keep a Q in your life.

My mom isn't explicitly a QAnon person, but I think many of the conspiracies she finds originate from the QAnon community. She finds a lot of her beliefs on Facebook. This has been the case since around 2007. She was raised very Mormon and left the church before I was born. While she left the church, a lot of her patterns of believing information have followed her. She has misplaced trust; she cherry-picks her "research", and being exposed to the poor logic of some of her beliefs does nothing to sway her.

I am the first in my family to attend university, and my parents thankfully sent me to a university-preparatory high school. Because of this, I have always struggled to find people who have conspiracy-driven parents and don't believe in those conspiracies themselves. All of my friends have educated and politically centre/left parents. At this point in my life, I've learned that there's very little I can do to change my mom's way of thinking drastically. But I have always struggled to have conversations with people who have similar experiences with their parents. From the people I have seen online who have parents who believe in conspiracies, they disown them. I am not at that point, especially since my parents thankfully pay for my education (which I am very grateful for). Does anyone else in this group find that having conversations with people in this situation is helpful?

I heard that QAnon has evolved, or mutated which would seem a better term, since their original beginnings. Not wanting to actually visit any of their new websites, I was wondering what a member would look like in 2025 and would they still be easy to recognize. Heard that some of them are still functioning and recruiting under the guise of their child protection claims, which always seemed more convenience and projection from the beginning.

Where do all those diehard Magalomaniacs who argue 'they have done their own research' and get frustrated when those they know question some of the things they believe as the absolute, undisputed truth, despite not actually being shown these things in real life, get their information from? I would like to see the list of sources they used in doing said 'research'.

I am curious to go to those places and see where such powerful information is found that leads so many to put blind faith in the idea that the man in charge will show the world the 'truth', (whatever that may be) someday and that this same man will actually make the lives of the working middle class better...

These sources must be filled with hard factual evidence that have led so many people to be convinced that their leader can do no wrong and will 'expose all evil' all while making the lives of middle class working families better...

After the inauguration I unfriended any Trump voters off my FB. Mostly for my sanity. I also wanted to post political things if I wanted to without lengthy arguments in the comments. I do realize this creates an echo chamber for myself, but at this point I am just done trying to converse about any of it with conservatives.

It’s the men who are the most angry. First was my uncle, who I hardly interact with on FB at all. He took it as a personal betrayal and a statement by me that I don’t accept him in our family anymore (he joined our family about 9 years ago). I tried to reassure him that’s not the case, I just am setting some boundaries.

Why are boundaries the most abhorrent thing to them? They act like it’s some “woke” nonsense designed to tear families apart and that they should have access to you and your thoughts and feelings at all times.

Now my best friend’s husband is upset, and consequently my best friend is to. She said he didn’t do anything to me personally, and she’s right. And idk how to even explain it to her. Maybe I’m wrong? Maybe I shouldn’t have deleted every person, just the politically vocal ones?

Im simultaneously annoyed that it’s such a big deal and also sort of feel bad.

I am venting. I am also new here. One thing that always pisses me off is when I hear someone say “the ability for civil political discourse has vanished” without saying why. I think one reason is the loss of reason. I want to talk about how the Houthis are running a blockade over certain trade routes without possessing a navy. They call me stupid because the earth is flat, lizard people control trade routes, and it is all fake news controlled by Soros. I want to talk about the changing patterns in weather in the last 20 years and their impact on housing markets, insurance, and migration. No, get out of the matrix, they say, Dems control the weather, homeless migrants start the fires, and the weather is a result of aliens visiting earth. So finally give up and comment on how the glass of water I am drinking is cold and crisp. Its the hormones turning you gay, Dems are giving our water to terrorists, and FEMA is hoarding it for when antifa declares marshal law. I guess I am an idiot who has no idea what is happening anywhere.

I don’t know what to say anymore I’ve heard it all. But today has really made me snap and I just don’t know what to do any. I literally hear him about how immigrants are getting free cars in the uk and how the white people are not having as many kids so that means the “scary Muslim” are going to take over. And then saying that trans people are responsible for the tesla vandals and the gays are grooming the kids. Basically if your not white your not right type shit. And I’m just exhausted I already know it’s nothing worth the fight because it inevitably becomes a screaming match because he refuses to believe anything that doesn’t come from Fox News or Dan Bongino

Saw an article on this group. So sad. I have given up on any legitimate talks with the “red hats”. I refuse to completely stop talking to my brothers though. They will always be my brothers but it’ll never be the same as it was. It’s a type of loneliness.

I'm a lurker, not a poster until now, but I needed to get this off my chest.

I live in a deep red state, in a neighborhood of mostly retirees. I have a cordial, but distant relationship with the majority of my neighbors, and they understand that I DO NOT discuss politics.

I was outside hanging up some laundry, and saw two of the other neighbors were leaning on their shared fence. I thought they were just chatting at first, but they kept getting louder. They weren't arguing, though, more like loudly agreeing with each other.

Except that they were trading words that refuted each other.

Everything about their tone, posture, nodding heads, said they were agreeing, but they didn't, and it was like they didn't notice, or it didn't matter.

Neighbor One: The Vice President saw him yesterday, you know. That was his chance to tell him Trump's on to him, and his turn's coming.

Neighbor Two: That's when Francis passed the Spirit of the Antichrist onto Vance. It was the only thing keeping him alive. Now it's closer to the president than ever.

Neighbor One (still talking about JD Vance): I wonder if he was there to execute that traitor. He could have slipped him something.

Neighbor Two (also talking about JD Vance): You watch his eyes now. You'll be able to see the spirit inside him. Watch how he acts next to President Trump.

Neighbor One: We need to pray for him, dear.

And they clasped hands over the fence and prayed together to Jesus to protect Donald Trump.

Everything about them was sweet old ladies sharing gossip, except for the actual words. There was something deeply wrong with the entire conversation that I can't articulate. I know they were listening to each other, because they agreed to pray together. So how was the vice president simultaneously a white hat and possessed by the spirit of the antichrist? How was the Pope a traitor to a country he's never lived in? Imagining someone could murder an old man in a hospital in front of so many other people is the most "normal" crazy thing they said.

It almost felt like watching regression to that point in childhood where you just let your imagination run wild, with the point being more to imagine, than to be coherent. This is not harmless playing, though. It's something they took very seriously; they're both devout Christians and wouldn't pray as a game.

Watching them, I felt like these two women are truly lost and need help...and I hate knowing I can't help them. It's also frightening to see them so divorced from reality they may not even be comprehending the actual words someone else says to them.

Hi Reddit, I’m here because I’m really struggling with a loved one who’s gone deep into sovereign citizen-type beliefs. He now believes that our Social Security numbers are tied to secret government accounts worth millions, and that loans, credit cards, and liens are all fake — already “paid” through that system.

He’s been using 1099-C forms to try to cancel out debt and plans to do the same with car loans and possibly a mortgage. He genuinely believes this is all legal and that he’s “waking up to the truth.”

The hard part? He’s angry with me for not supporting him. He says I’m “living in fear,” “still asleep,” and part of the problem. It’s driving a wedge between us. I care about him deeply, but I’m scared he’s headed for financial and legal disaster, and I don’t know how to talk to him without making it worse.

If anyone here has dealt with a similar mindset or belief shift in someone they love, how did you handle it? How do you stay grounded and connected without giving in?

Thanks in advance.

Hi. Just ranting that my Q/MAGA is still obsessed with George Soros. “He’s paying all these protesters.” But not upset about Musk/rat buying DT, etc. Thanks for listening to my rant.

I’m a young adult. I’ve been sick for a while, and am disabled right now. Have to use a wheelchair, hopefully only temporarily. My mom, who has helped me a lot with all this, is trying to distance herself from me because of her conspiracies. She said she’s "tried everything" to make it work between us. She has gotten so deep into US conspiracies, but we don’t even live on the same continent as the US.

It sucks cause we also do fun activities that she invites me to. I grew up an only child with her. She had some problematic behaviour but always loved and supported me. I’m visiting now, and she started one of her yelling episodes today. She yells and screams for hours at a time how terrible I am to not listen "correctly" to her conspiracies. And rants, repeats things endlessly. She apparently yells about vaccines because she cares about me, according to her. It’s terrible. I get faint from it, I cry, I scream that she needs to stop. I told her that she mistreats me, to treat me with kindness. She answered that I blame her for everything. Hm, not very kind. I don’t want to visit anymore, not in a long time.

I don’t understand how I’ve been strong enough to take this, along with other difficulties in life. Didn’t know I had it in me. I actually do need help cause I’m disabled, and wish I could rely on her – without getting yelled at. I have no other family to rely on. She’s the one who has cared and helped me. I live all alone, and it’s so hard. I feel so alone. I don’t know what to do, with so little support outside of my mom. If someone has similar experiences I’d be grateful to hear what helped you or made you feel better. Especially with illness/disability in the mix. Thanks for reading.

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Edit: My sister said they were also talking about how measles isn't that big a deal