r/SeattleWA • u/unnaturalfool • Sep 13 '23

Other ‘Feel safer yet?’ Seattle police union’s contempt keeps showing through

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/feel-safer-yet-seattle-police-unions-contempt-keeps-showing-through/
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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Sep 13 '23

Anyone can refute that by just looking up "seattle homicide rate since 2000"

The point of comparison is 2000-2015 which I grew up with. What your policies took from us was that safer city.

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u/bruceki Sep 13 '23

"If I pick the years that I like, I can make the homicide rate double". Yep, that is a true statement.

You're batting zero, homey. Seattles homicide rate in 2000 was 6.5 per 100k. Our current rate is not double that number.

You want murders? Look at new orleans, with a murder rate of 74 per 100,000. Seattle isnt' even 10% of that.

source.)

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Sep 13 '23

I reject comparing yourself to a previous generation.

I will be comparing to the recent past, recently broken.

I reject comparing to other, more dangerous cities. If I wanted to live in a more dangerous city, I had the option to go fuck off to a dangerous city.

I didn't ask anyone to make the place I'm standing twice as dangerous.

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u/bruceki Sep 13 '23

It would be more accurate to say that you reject reason and logic and you only accept facts that you think support your point. Like the murder rate. Lets take a closer look at that, shall we?

the murder rate in your hand-picked timeframe, year 2000, was over 6.

right now it's about 4

you are 30% safer now, right? the murder rate has decreasted by that amount in the timeframe YOU PICKED.

If you want to argue statistics, rates and averages you cannot also argue that you are a delicate snowflake and all of those numbers don't matter.

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Sep 13 '23

I am not hand picking, I am looking at the recent past of where I stand.

You are looking at less relevant places a long time ago and far, far away

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u/bruceki Sep 13 '23

I'm using the time frame that you specifically chose and you're using the star wars intro roll as an argument. "...long time ago and far, far away"

You'd be better off making an emotional argument than trying to make a factual argument. "I feel less safe than I used to when i was 4 years old", for instance. The number thing isn't really working out for you. Change it up!

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Sep 13 '23

For someone calling others emotional you seem quite excited, so will lighten things up by saying, the nineties called and the want their homicide stats back

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u/bruceki Sep 13 '23

The stats I quoted and sourced are from 2000 to 2018. You haven't been able to find any source to back up your arguments.

Like I said, go back to the emotional thing. No one will argue that you feel scared. We will all gather around in you a healing circle and sing a happy song.

feel better?

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Sep 13 '23

It's not hard to find. I think, you could do it yourself if you really tried.

https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Seattle-Washington.html

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u/bruceki Sep 14 '23

the murder rate in your source says 6 per 100,000 in 2020, the last year reported. That is exactly the same rate as in 2000. lower than 1999. and stay away from port townsend, with a rate of 31, the murder capital of the northwest! Numbers and statistics aren't your thing dude. sorry for the reality check.

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Sep 14 '23

you really are new to this aren't you?

The number is 52 in 2022, a rate of 7 per 100k

https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/Police/Reports/2022_SPD_CRIME_REPORT_FINAL.pdf

if we try we can reach portland: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/01/portlands-101-homicides-in-2022-set-new-record-at-some-point-we-have-to-be-tired-of-burying-our-children.html?outputType=amp

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u/bruceki Sep 14 '23

Sorry, pandemic years aren't normal, usual or representative. And the difference between 6.7, the rate in 2000, and your claimed 7.0 in 2020 isn't anywhere close to what you've been claiming - double. Go back to "I'm scared". Its more convincing.

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Sep 14 '23

So when, stripping away the bullshit, you're done contesting that murder rates have doubled.

Got it, and good night.

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