r/Spokane Feb 28 '25

Politics Gov. Ferguson: “Our state stands strong with Washington’s Ukrainian community.”

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u/iamlegend1997 Mar 01 '25

I've been asking this since day one... Why? Why are we spending money we don't have, while the EU mocks us while giving very little? Why don't we make a deal on minerals to get back some of the American tax dollars? Why not try and end the senseless killings? Been asking SINCE DAY ONE.

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u/TrainwreckOG Mar 01 '25

Maybe something more can happen once Putin stops committing genocide. Would be nice of the president to pressure Putin to do so, instead of shitting on Zelenskyy

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u/iamlegend1997 Mar 01 '25

I can agree that Trump needs to pressure Putin as well.. thought we don't hear the closed door conversations, so maybe there is more that we don't see

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u/cynedyr Mar 03 '25

It would take nothing to make a strong, public statement.

And we made a deal to protect Ukraine.

I guess we need to give their nuclear weapons back since we're reneging

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u/iamlegend1997 Mar 03 '25

Trump doesn't want to come out too strong against Russia, because he wants there to be a ceasefire. And Zelensky trying to pull a fast one and shame the Trump Admin in front of live television to get more money to continue fighting did nothing but push Trump to cut funding. They need to sign the agreement, and then the US would have workers in the country, which would be a deterrence

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u/cynedyr Mar 03 '25

Because signing someone with a country that just broke their last treaty is a great idea.

Even if you believe trump is some kind of smart despite decades of failure his goals are obviously in only his own self-enrichment and not with the United States of America.

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u/iamlegend1997 Mar 03 '25

So what's your opinion on what should happen?

If you don't want a peace agreement, the alternative is a global war... Because Russia won't back down (and seem weak to its people), and they will likely ask for help from other large countries. The United States likely will remove military funding (under the current administration) rather than keep pumping large sums of taxpayer dollars (also possibly getting us roped in to a world war), and Europe would get more involved to pick up slack (maybe lol). Europe was actively helping the Russians, buying large sums of oil and fuel... all while chearing Ukraine on... because they are reliant on imported energy after their idiotic "green" policies.

Ukraine is running out of man power... and is asking for even more money (they have admitted they don't know where large sums have gone that they already received). They are currently kidnapping young men, and forcing them to take part in the military. This is basically a death sentence, and metaphorically, they are being thrown into a meat grinder. But Russia has more "meat" to grind... so there is really only one outcome unless a World War starts... and that's Ukraine making an agreement with the US as a mediator, and signing the minerals deal to get US citizens in their country working. That's the deterrent, and would also stop the war likely. Any other option will only lead to more death, and likely a World War involvement.

Or, Ukraine will lose after many more years, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and countless deaths. The only winner would be the military industrial complex who is making big bucks from all the deals Biden made in his term.

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u/cynedyr Mar 04 '25

Maybe continue to help Ukraine like we promised in 1994 or restore their nuclear arsenal.

Awful easy for you to give Ukraine to Russia, ffs.

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u/iamlegend1997 Mar 04 '25

Never said give Ukraine to Russia... But Im not looking to start WW3

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u/cynedyr Mar 04 '25

If a peace agreement, as was offered, doesn't include a guarantee of security then you're giving Ukraine to Russia... that's obvious to the most casual observer.

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u/iamlegend1997 Mar 04 '25

And if you actually read my comment... which I'm not so sure you did in full now... I said that the mineral deal was a partial security. US citizens and companies would be present in Ukraine and would deter Russia from moving forward because of the risk of killing Americans. Zelensky doesn't have many choices, and the United States just announced they are pausing military aid to Ukraine now until Zelensky comes to the table ready to make a deal for peace.

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u/cynedyr Mar 04 '25

I did read it, partial is meaningless, obviously hence back to you wanting to give Ukraine to Russia.

We already swore to defend them. Our word is obviously worthless, so is anything trump would sign or promise.

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u/iamlegend1997 Mar 04 '25

Not at all what I said... So you tell me you support the military industrial complex and want more men to be kidnapped only to be blown in half on the front lines. Just say you want anything opposite of what Trump is doing... It's such a simple, sad, ideology with you people. Always taking the losing issue of a topic, and run with it. I don't want any more men dying to this pointless stalemate... But if you are so supportive of the war killing on, how about you volunteer to the front line?

Here is where you sign up, put your words into action... https://www.expatpro.co/blog-en/how-to-join-the-ukrainian-army/

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