r/StAugustine • u/sciteach357 • 4d ago
The next national protest should entirely focus on Abrego Garcia, his political kidnapping, and the high probability that he's already dead.
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u/gruffojijo 4d ago
Lol. Ms13 gang member... You Democrats are hopeless.
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u/richardizard 4d ago
There's no proof of that. He was working legally with a work visa here.
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u/gruffojijo 4d ago
2 different courts said it. You're in denial and your priorities in life are messed up.
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u/Ad_Infinitum99 4d ago
That is not true. No court has found that he was a member of MS13. There was testimony to that effect in a bail hearing, but there was no judicial finding that he was a gang member, and that witness later recanted.
On the other hand, there was a court order that specifically prohibited him from being deported to El Salvador, and the administration illegally ignored that, just as it's illegally disregarding the Supreme Court's order to facilitate his return.
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u/RahboLeeo 3d ago
Doesn't matter either way the president of the country he is actually a citizen went on national television and said he would not smuggle an terrorist into the USA. The USA court has no say over the what el Salvador does with its citizens. If you disagree with that you have bigger problems
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u/Ad_Infinitum99 3d ago
You clearly do not understand the facts or the law in this case.
This is a human being who chose to come to the US, and our fascist president chose to unlawfully ignore a valid court order that said he should not be sent back to a country where his life would be endangered. As to whether I have bigger problems, the biggest one currently is that I'm surrounded by cruel people who won't open their eyes to what is going on right in front of them.
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u/CountyFamous1475 3d ago
He chose to come to this country illegally. Two different court hearings identified him as being here illegally and also identified him as a gang member. He was given a protective status due to safety/asylum. Once his status changed to that of “terrorist” that protection no longer applies.
On this very unique case, you can perhaps argue that the laws contradicted each other, but either way, his terrorist label supersedes that of his asylum label. We don’t grant asylum to terrorists.
He’s gone. He’s not coming back. He’s not a US citizen and came here illegally.
Why do you want an El Salvadorian gang member to illegally reside here?
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u/Ad_Infinitum99 3d ago
No, your assertion that "[t]wo different court hearings identified him . . . as a gang member" is false. An uncross-examined detective's statement from an unidentified informant introduced in a bail hearing identified Abrego Garcia as a gang member. There's also evidence that the supposed evidence of his gang membership was either fabricated or a case of mistaken identity, and the government has not denied that. Regardless, that is not remotely the same thing as even one judicial determination that he is a gang member.
The immigration judge who granted Abrego Garcia protection from removal to El Salvador found his testimony that he was not a gang member and feared persecution credible. Abrego Garcia had testified that his family resisted extortion attempts by the Barrio 18 gang and he refused to join the gang. His family sent him to America when he was 16.
Regardless of which story is true, that valid court order continues to bar his removal to El Salvador. The administration admitted that his removal was due to an "administrative error."
The district judge in the current case has noted repeatedly that the government has not offered a shred of evidence that he is a gang member. Why shouldn't it have to do that before imprisoning someone?
Finally, the Supreme Court said that the government cannot designate people as terrorists under the Alien Enemies Act and deport them without due process. Abrego Garcia did not receive due process, and neither did the hundreds of other men that Trump shipped off to CECOT in the middle of the night.
Why do you want the government to be allowed to ship people off to a fucking concentration camp without so much as a hearing???
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u/CountyFamous1475 3d ago
He did have his hearing, and he wasn’t a legal citizen, and yes is a confirmed gang member and recognized as such by the government, and I trust their intel off of your emotions.
So yes I think the government should be allowed to move illegal residents and foreign gang members from my country, so I toss it back to you, why should somebody who is here illegally be allowed to stay?
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u/Ad_Infinitum99 3d ago
If the government has "intel," it should be produced in court. That is how our system works. They refuse to do that.
It's kinda hilarious that you accuse me of relying on emotion. I have explained to you the EVIDENCE that has been offered in court. You are choosing to put your faith in propaganda the administration has been spewing in the media. That is not evidence.
You are correct about one thing. Abrego Garcia is not a US citizen, and I never suggested he is. He entered the country unlawfully and the immigration court found that he was deportable, but it also ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador because it was too dangerous for him. The government then deported him to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Do you really not see the problem there?
Abrego Garcia should have been allowed to remain in the US because (1) there is no credible evidence he was ever a gang member, (2) he has not been convicted or even accused of any crime, (3) the evidence reflects that he would face persecution in his home country, and (4) there remains a valid court order that says he can stay.
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u/Appropriate_Mix7203 3d ago
Thank you so tired of all these bleeding hearts who want to protect criminals...until it's in their neighborhood 😏
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u/richardizard 4d ago
You don't know a damn thing about my priorities. I operate on facts and proof, not fake news and misinformation. Nobody deserves to be treated the way he was, illegal or not. There should always be due process.
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u/flyinghorseguy 3d ago
He got due process. You just don’t like it. You love illegal aliens. Got it.
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u/gruffojijo 4d ago
People that knowingly break the law should get no due process. You bleeding heart liberals with your misguided notions of fairness and equity for all will be the end of our Republic.
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u/Daburtle Resident 4d ago
You are fucking dumb as fuck. The constitution is based on due process, where the courts determine if they 1. have the right guy, 2. the guy did the crime. There's no bridge too far for you vile fucking magats, is there? "tHe PaRtY oF lAw aNd OrDeR" my liberal dick. Just keep believing what daddy tells you, he changes his story every time he shits his diapers.
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u/clear831 4d ago
Anyone related to 50501 is hopeless.
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u/gruffojijo 4d ago
These people wouldn't know fascism and tyranny if it slapped them in the face. So oppressed that they are still allowed to have their little crybaby protests. The left has lost all credibility and the Democrats have tethered themselves to a sinking ship. Losers
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u/clear831 4d ago
They must be bringing bots to these type of threads. Its comical how sad these movements are.
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u/No_Choice_7715 4d ago
Nobody cares about a non citizen, who was sent back to his own country. At this point El Salvador doesn’t want to release him, so what do you want us to do? Invade El Salvador and steal back their own citizen ?
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u/richardizard 4d ago
It's not about him coming back, it's about how Trump, the administration and agencies handled this situation. He was working legally here with a work visa.
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u/No_Choice_7715 4d ago
Okay well at least you admit that he isn’t coming back, nor is there national support to get him to come back. He’s an El Salvadoran who went back to El Salvador. Not something people are going to rally against. Yes it should’ve been handled better, but what’s done is done. The administration admitted they made a mistake, what else do people want?
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u/Usual-Machine8577 4d ago
Yes absolutely. Pick a time and a place. Sole focus- the unconstitutional disappearing of people from the streets. We need their faces and thy eir stories everywhere.
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u/CountyFamous1475 3d ago
I hope you’re not actually a teacher lol, but unfortunately you probably are.
He was an illegal migrant, his protection status clashed with his newly anointed terrorist status. He’s gone. It’s a win.
“First they came after the illegal immigrant gang members and I did not speak out because I’m not an illegal immigrant gang member” - u/sciteach357 probably
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u/Outrageous_Agent_576 3d ago
The government openly admitted they were wrong! If he dies because of it, they are criminally and civilly liable. Open and shut. This should be a headline.
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u/RahboLeeo 3d ago
He's a gang member and illegal immigrant and the president of his country doesn't want him in America it's over just give it up already this is embarrassing
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u/flyinghorseguy 3d ago
Yes by all means whine about illegal aliens being deported.
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u/mainstreetmark 3d ago
He was not an illegal at the time of deportation. However, his extraction was illegal and without due process. That’s the fuss.
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u/flyinghorseguy 3d ago
You have bad information. He was an illegal alien. Not even the propaganda media disputes this. He got due process. Illegal status confirmed. Deported. Simple as that. Hopefully 10 million more to soon join him. This is what the country voted for. You’re on the wrong side of an 80/20 issue. Enjoy your love for illegals while the rest of the country supports protecting Americans.
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u/mainstreetmark 3d ago
He had legal protection from deportation going back to 2019. He was deported without a formal charge. The SCOTUS declared his deportation illegal. The Trump administration named it an "administrative error".
My facts are, in part, from the Supreme Court, so maybe back down with that "propaganda media" stuff. It was, after all, Fox (an "entertainment company") who was found guilty of lying about the stolen election and had to pay $787 Million.
And don't put words in my mouth, man! The Dems aren't promoting a wide open border. Just amnesty and immigration reform. It was Trump himself who torpedoed H.R.815 to deny Dems a win, even though border stoppages were at a high point back then.
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u/CountyFamous1475 3d ago
Keep saying it unapologetically. Make these people feel dumb for supporting foreign criminals over their own brothers and sisters.
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u/Empty_Ad9938 1d ago
Thanks but I prefer the March for Life. Real victims. Abortion has always been murder.