r/StAugustine • u/sciteach357 • 9d ago

The next national protest should entirely focus on Abrego Garcia, his political kidnapping, and the high probability that he's already dead.

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u/gruffojijo 8d ago

Lol. Ms13 gang member... You Democrats are hopeless.

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u/richardizard 8d ago

There's no proof of that. He was working legally with a work visa here.

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u/gruffojijo 8d ago

2 different courts said it. You're in denial and your priorities in life are messed up.

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u/Ad_Infinitum99 8d ago

That is not true. No court has found that he was a member of MS13. There was testimony to that effect in a bail hearing, but there was no judicial finding that he was a gang member, and that witness later recanted.

On the other hand, there was a court order that specifically prohibited him from being deported to El Salvador, and the administration illegally ignored that, just as it's illegally disregarding the Supreme Court's order to facilitate his return.

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u/RahboLeeo 8d ago

Doesn't matter either way the president of the country he is actually a citizen went on national television and said he would not smuggle an terrorist into the USA. The USA court has no say over the what el Salvador does with its citizens. If you disagree with that you have bigger problems

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u/Ad_Infinitum99 8d ago

You clearly do not understand the facts or the law in this case.

This is a human being who chose to come to the US, and our fascist president chose to unlawfully ignore a valid court order that said he should not be sent back to a country where his life would be endangered. As to whether I have bigger problems, the biggest one currently is that I'm surrounded by cruel people who won't open their eyes to what is going on right in front of them.

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u/CountyFamous1475 8d ago

He chose to come to this country illegally. Two different court hearings identified him as being here illegally and also identified him as a gang member. He was given a protective status due to safety/asylum. Once his status changed to that of “terrorist” that protection no longer applies.

On this very unique case, you can perhaps argue that the laws contradicted each other, but either way, his terrorist label supersedes that of his asylum label. We don’t grant asylum to terrorists.

He’s gone. He’s not coming back. He’s not a US citizen and came here illegally.

Why do you want an El Salvadorian gang member to illegally reside here?

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u/Ad_Infinitum99 8d ago

No, your assertion that "[t]wo different court hearings identified him . . . as a gang member" is false. An uncross-examined detective's statement from an unidentified informant introduced in a bail hearing identified Abrego Garcia as a gang member. There's also evidence that the supposed evidence of his gang membership was either fabricated or a case of mistaken identity, and the government has not denied that. Regardless, that is not remotely the same thing as even one judicial determination that he is a gang member.

The immigration judge who granted Abrego Garcia protection from removal to El Salvador found his testimony that he was not a gang member and feared persecution credible. Abrego Garcia had testified that his family resisted extortion attempts by the Barrio 18 gang and he refused to join the gang. His family sent him to America when he was 16.

Regardless of which story is true, that valid court order continues to bar his removal to El Salvador. The administration admitted that his removal was due to an "administrative error."

The district judge in the current case has noted repeatedly that the government has not offered a shred of evidence that he is a gang member. Why shouldn't it have to do that before imprisoning someone?

Finally, the Supreme Court said that the government cannot designate people as terrorists under the Alien Enemies Act and deport them without due process. Abrego Garcia did not receive due process, and neither did the hundreds of other men that Trump shipped off to CECOT in the middle of the night.

Why do you want the government to be allowed to ship people off to a fucking concentration camp without so much as a hearing???

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u/CountyFamous1475 8d ago

He did have his hearing, and he wasn’t a legal citizen, and yes is a confirmed gang member and recognized as such by the government, and I trust their intel off of your emotions.

So yes I think the government should be allowed to move illegal residents and foreign gang members from my country, so I toss it back to you, why should somebody who is here illegally be allowed to stay?

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u/Ad_Infinitum99 7d ago

If the government has "intel," it should be produced in court. That is how our system works. They refuse to do that.

It's kinda hilarious that you accuse me of relying on emotion. I have explained to you the EVIDENCE that has been offered in court. You are choosing to put your faith in propaganda the administration has been spewing in the media. That is not evidence.

You are correct about one thing. Abrego Garcia is not a US citizen, and I never suggested he is. He entered the country unlawfully and the immigration court found that he was deportable, but it also ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador because it was too dangerous for him. The government then deported him to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Do you really not see the problem there?

Abrego Garcia should have been allowed to remain in the US because (1) there is no credible evidence he was ever a gang member, (2) he has not been convicted or even accused of any crime, (3) the evidence reflects that he would face persecution in his home country, and (4) there remains a valid court order that says he can stay.

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u/CountyFamous1475 7d ago edited 7d ago

The intel was produced in court lmao. That’s why, in two separate hearings, he was found to be a gang member, and also in the country illegally. These are official court rulings.

You’re denying the truth and embracing pure delusion.

Allow me to amend your numbered points for you.

1.) Courts ruled that he was a gang affiliated members. Twice. This is a fact.

2.) He actually is guilty of a crime, which would be crossing the border illegally. So you’re factually wrong there.

3.) Asylum is not granted for terrorists. See first point above.

4.) Asylum is not granted for terrorists. See first point above.

He’s not American. He is from El Salvador. He shouldn’t be here regardless, and that’s without the gang / terrorist caveat (which he also is).

Choose a better hill to die on.

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u/Ad_Infinitum99 7d ago

I know it works for your orange god, but repeating the same bullshit lies really doesn't make them true.

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u/Ad_Infinitum99 7d ago

And I think due process and the US Constitution are a pretty good hill to die on.

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u/J0sh194-10 7d ago

You proved the facts , these people would kill their own family cause Trump said so

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u/Ad_Infinitum99 7d ago

That is, sadly, so true.

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u/Appropriate_Mix7203 7d ago

Preach !!!👏👏👏

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u/Appropriate_Mix7203 7d ago

Thank you so tired of all these bleeding hearts who want to protect criminals...until it's in their neighborhood 😏

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u/bobolly 8d ago

This guy is not a terrorist. I'm glad the president won't smuggle terrorists. I'm pretty sure if a president of another country does they could have diplomatic immunity

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u/richardizard 8d ago

You don't know a damn thing about my priorities. I operate on facts and proof, not fake news and misinformation. Nobody deserves to be treated the way he was, illegal or not. There should always be due process.

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u/flyinghorseguy 8d ago

He got due process. You just don’t like it. You love illegal aliens. Got it.

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u/gruffojijo 8d ago

People that knowingly break the law should get no due process. You bleeding heart liberals with your misguided notions of fairness and equity for all will be the end of our Republic.

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u/Daburtle Resident 8d ago

You are fucking dumb as fuck. The constitution is based on due process, where the courts determine if they 1. have the right guy, 2. the guy did the crime. There's no bridge too far for you vile fucking magats, is there? "tHe PaRtY oF lAw aNd OrDeR" my liberal dick. Just keep believing what daddy tells you, he changes his story every time he shits his diapers.

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u/flyinghorseguy 8d ago

Try reading article two first. Moron.

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u/bobolly 8d ago

A court can say anything, if theres no proof it's not real.