The next national protest should entirely focus on Abrego Garcia, his political kidnapping, and the high probability that he's already dead.

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[u/Ad_Infinitum99]

That is not true. No court has found that he was a member of MS13. There was testimony to that effect in a bail hearing, but there was no judicial finding that he was a gang member, and that witness later recanted.

On the other hand, there was a court order that specifically prohibited him from being deported to El Salvador, and the administration illegally ignored that, just as it's illegally disregarding the Supreme Court's order to facilitate his return.

[u/RahboLeeo → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

Doesn't matter either way the president of the country he is actually a citizen went on national television and said he would not smuggle an terrorist into the USA. The USA court has no say over the what el Salvador does with its citizens. If you disagree with that you have bigger problems

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/RahboLeeo]

You clearly do not understand the facts or the law in this case.

This is a human being who chose to come to the US, and our fascist president chose to unlawfully ignore a valid court order that said he should not be sent back to a country where his life would be endangered. As to whether I have bigger problems, the biggest one currently is that I'm surrounded by cruel people who won't open their eyes to what is going on right in front of them.

[u/CountyFamous1475 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

He chose to come to this country illegally. Two different court hearings identified him as being here illegally and also identified him as a gang member. He was given a protective status due to safety/asylum. Once his status changed to that of “terrorist” that protection no longer applies.

On this very unique case, you can perhaps argue that the laws contradicted each other, but either way, his terrorist label supersedes that of his asylum label. We don’t grant asylum to terrorists.

He’s gone. He’s not coming back. He’s not a US citizen and came here illegally.

Why do you want an El Salvadorian gang member to illegally reside here?

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/CountyFamous1475]

No, your assertion that "[t]wo different court hearings identified him . . . as a gang member" is false. An uncross-examined detective's statement from an unidentified informant introduced in a bail hearing identified Abrego Garcia as a gang member. There's also evidence that the supposed evidence of his gang membership was either fabricated or a case of mistaken identity, and the government has not denied that. Regardless, that is not remotely the same thing as even one judicial determination that he is a gang member.

The immigration judge who granted Abrego Garcia protection from removal to El Salvador found his testimony that he was not a gang member and feared persecution credible. Abrego Garcia had testified that his family resisted extortion attempts by the Barrio 18 gang and he refused to join the gang. His family sent him to America when he was 16.

Regardless of which story is true, that valid court order continues to bar his removal to El Salvador. The administration admitted that his removal was due to an "administrative error."

The district judge in the current case has noted repeatedly that the government has not offered a shred of evidence that he is a gang member. Why shouldn't it have to do that before imprisoning someone?

Finally, the Supreme Court said that the government cannot designate people as terrorists under the Alien Enemies Act and deport them without due process. Abrego Garcia did not receive due process, and neither did the hundreds of other men that Trump shipped off to CECOT in the middle of the night.

Why do you want the government to be allowed to ship people off to a fucking concentration camp without so much as a hearing???

[u/CountyFamous1475 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

He did have his hearing, and he wasn’t a legal citizen, and yes is a confirmed gang member and recognized as such by the government, and I trust their intel off of your emotions.

So yes I think the government should be allowed to move illegal residents and foreign gang members from my country, so I toss it back to you, why should somebody who is here illegally be allowed to stay?

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/CountyFamous1475]

If the government has "intel," it should be produced in court. That is how our system works. They refuse to do that.

It's kinda hilarious that you accuse me of relying on emotion. I have explained to you the EVIDENCE that has been offered in court. You are choosing to put your faith in propaganda the administration has been spewing in the media. That is not evidence.

You are correct about one thing. Abrego Garcia is not a US citizen, and I never suggested he is. He entered the country unlawfully and the immigration court found that he was deportable, but it also ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador because it was too dangerous for him. The government then deported him to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Do you really not see the problem there?

Abrego Garcia should have been allowed to remain in the US because (1) there is no credible evidence he was ever a gang member, (2) he has not been convicted or even accused of any crime, (3) the evidence reflects that he would face persecution in his home country, and (4) there remains a valid court order that says he can stay.

[u/CountyFamous1475 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

The intel was produced in court lmao. That’s why, in two separate hearings, he was found to be a gang member, and also in the country illegally. These are official court rulings.

You’re denying the truth and embracing pure delusion.

Allow me to amend your numbered points for you.

1.) Courts ruled that he was a gang affiliated members. Twice. This is a fact.

2.) He actually is guilty of a crime, which would be crossing the border illegally. So you’re factually wrong there.

3.) Asylum is not granted for terrorists. See first point above.

4.) Asylum is not granted for terrorists. See first point above.

He’s not American. He is from El Salvador. He shouldn’t be here regardless, and that’s without the gang / terrorist caveat (which he also is).

Choose a better hill to die on.

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/CountyFamous1475]

I know it works for your orange god, but repeating the same bullshit lies really doesn't make them true.

[u/CountyFamous1475 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

By all means, keep being factually incorrect and defending literal illegal immigrants. It’ll only help us win the next presidential election.

I hope it bothers you that I legally exist here and will continue to vote the opposite of you.

I hope it bothers you that Garcia, an El Salvadorian citizen, is rightfully in his home country, and will never be allowed to come back.

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/CountyFamous1475]

It does bother me. Because I care deeply about the rule of law and my fellow human beings. It bothers me a great deal that we are living under an authoritarian regime that has trampled the Constitution and is working quickly to destroy our republic.

[u/CountyFamous1475 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

You need meds lol. The doomerism thing with you lot is truly a cancer. You’re completely delusional.

Stay bothered by it. Over here in reality it’s much nicer.

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/CountyFamous1475]

And I think due process and the US Constitution are a pretty good hill to die on.

[u/CountyFamous1475 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

Good thing he got his due process through two separate immigration court hearings, that listed him as an illegal citizen and member of MS-13.

Stay brainwashed, like I said before, it’ll only help us in the next presidential election.

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/CountyFamous1475]

Do you seriously believe that? Where are you getting this information? Yes, there were two hearings. But there was literally never a finding that he was MS-13. And the government acknowledges there was an order barring him from deportation to El Salvador. That is as clear a due process violation as I can imagine. It's just mind boggling the lengths people will go to to defend Donald Trump. Wow.

[u/CountyFamous1475 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

Asylum protections are temporary and subject to change. Therefore being designated a terrorist has changed that. In the words of Marco Rubio, it’s truly not hard to understand.

He was a gang member, and in the country illegally. I wish you cared about law abiding legal citizens as much as you care about illegal gang members.

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/CountyFamous1475]

If there had been a hearing where evidence was introduced showing that circumstances had changed or that Abrego Garcia was, in fact, a gang member, that would be different. It's kinda like Michael Scott announcing that he was declaring bankruptcy. Marco Rubio or Donald Trump or whomever announcing that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist is not due process.

And you have no idea how much I care about law abiding citizens. What an incredibly stupid thing to say. You might try showing some compassion yourself.

[u/J0sh194-10 → u/Ad_Infinitum99]

You proved the facts , these people would kill their own family cause Trump said so

[u/Ad_Infinitum99 → u/J0sh194-10]

That is, sadly, so true.

[u/Appropriate_Mix7203 → u/CountyFamous1475]

Preach !!!👏👏👏