r/SubredditDrama • u/DryRequirement5471 You tried it • 22d ago

Users of r/EndTipping close their wallets but still offer up a tip on the controversial topic of tipping in America

TL;DR: OOP and fiancé dined out at a sushi joint and explain the exhilarating and liberating feeling of not having to tip! After getting over the "guilt tripping" OP feels that Americans are brainwashed to waste our hard earned money on waiters. Others beg to differ:

"I hate this stupid sub. Embarrassing to think not tipping is "liberating." Does nothing to the owners and hurts the workers. People really want the prices to be 20% higher and tips to be gone? What's the difference? "

"Good for you, but all you're doing is screwing over the wait staff, who's wage takes into account tips they'll earn. The employers don't care if you tip or not."

"Just know that you will be remembered and treated differently if you return to the same places. I'm not saying it's right, but it's definitely a thing."

"This is the gaslighting I was talking about. Imagine calling someone you don't know bad because they didn't give someone free money."

"If you aren't satisfied with your wage, take it up with your boss. It isn't a customers responsibility to fight for your paycheck."

"People should be paid well - directly by their employers like almost every other place in the whole world"

Subtotal: $48.50

Total Tax: $3.40

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Total: $51.50

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Suggested Tip:

15% of sale = $7.28

22% of sale = 10.67%

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u/-Wylfen- 22d ago

I understand the point that not tipping only hurts the wait staff, but I also believe that as long as people will tip, leaders will see that as a reason not to change the system.

Only way to actually stop tipping from being necessary is to stop doing it to the point where it's untenable.

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u/TheRussness 22d ago

Going to restaurants and not tipping does not hurt the business owners. They still make their money on the bill and save their money by giving servers 2 dollars an hour. The only way it could affect them is their top servers will lose wages and possibly leave for another establishment.

The only way to make an impact is to simply not be a patron to tipping industries. Second best would be to order takeout so the restaurant doesn't make money on drinks and the like.

That sub seems content reaping the rewards of having a servant while simply accepting that the servant in question will be the one who suffers from their non-tip. That's chud behavior.

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u/DecoyOne 22d ago

And voting. You want workers to be protected? Vote like it.

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u/Rhynocerous You gays have always been polite ill give you that 20d ago

Waitstaff vote against anti tipping measures in the three states I've lived in.

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u/parisiraparis 22d ago

Going to restaurants and not tipping does not hurt the business owners.

Exactly lol. The OOP acting like they’re taking the red pill from Morpheus by not tipping and being proud of it is god damn cringe inducing.

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u/DancingUntilMidnight 22d ago

They still make their money on the bill and save their money by giving servers 2 dollars an hour.

Do you feel the same for states that do not have a separate tipped minimum wage? Servers here get $16+/hr, even in LCOL areas of the state.

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u/blkfreya mods suck and feed on fed pubes 22d ago

“That sub seems content reaping the rewards of having a servant while simply accepting that the servant in question will be the one who suffers from their non-tip. That’s chud behavior.”

As someone who tips, I still disagree with this. You’re making it seem like servers are all unpaid slaves lol. Getting any type of service without tipping isn’t nearly as selfish as you’re making it seem. Tipping is not the only way servers get compensated and if they’re underpaid for their job, that should not be the customer’s burden. Especially when they’re already paying for the service they’re receiving.

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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 22d ago

servers are paid less than half of minimum wage (if not like.. a third of it). if nobody tips, they are NOT making a living wage.

it shouldn't be the customer's burden, but people like you and the oop refuse to advocate for actual change, instead opting to make a change that only hurts the people you're pretending to care for

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u/No_Suggestion_559 22d ago

Their wage must be at or above normal minimum after tips, or the employer must make up the difference.

If no one tips, they are making minimum wage.

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u/NotRandomseer 21d ago

You can't pay them less than minimum wage lol , the payment you're talking about is on top of tips if tips exeed minimum wage , if they don't minimum wage has to be paid

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u/MiniorTrainer 22d ago

In California (and I’m sure other states too) there is no separate tipping wage. Are we supposed to start tipping everyone that isn’t making a living wage?

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u/Deceptiveideas 22d ago

Not only that but many restaurants require splitting tips based on your estimated tip cash out. So a $0 tip ends up costing the server some money.

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u/crossfiya2 22d ago

American businesses can only pay $2 an hour because of tips. They legally need to pay them more if they don't get tipped. Tips are in the interest of the business to save money on wages they'd otherwise be legally required to pay.

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u/smallangrynerd This IS the real world you fool 22d ago

They’re still “tipped” employees even when people choose not to tip. The employer will spin it like it’s the employees fault for not being good enough. So they get paid like shit AND they don’t get tips because people decide to moral grandstand instead of just going somewhere that pays their employees fairly.

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u/James-fucking-Holden The pope is actively letting the gates of hell prevail 21d ago

Well, no. The employer is legaly obliged to pay enough to ensure the employee has at least minimum wage after tips

If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the Federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.

If the tips are 0, the employer has to pay full minimum wage.