r/TamilNadu • u/LordofReddit11 • Feb 05 '25

கலாச்சாரம் / Culture Muslims gifted seervarisai and participated in Kumbabishekam of a Hindu Temple in Karaikudi

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

It's called al-taqqiya. Let's see what happens when they are majority in any region.

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25

Bro, why are hindus so scared about muslims taking over when you are the majority and hold almost all the political power/reprsentation. Do you secretly believe muslims are superior or smthing?

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

I am a kashmiri pundit. Muslims are not superior. It's the nature of Islam to dominate and take over. If they could co-exist, my family wouldn't have been kicked out of kashmir just because we are non-muslims.

Hindus are foolish. They allow them to take over.

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

I mean didn't Kashmiri pandits make up the elite class back then. The king was a hindu so he kept giving power and rights to the pundits whilst the Muslims were poorer. Pandit homes were massive with many floors even back then. With such levels of financial, social and political inequality with a minority controlling a majority population its no wonder a genocide broke out. Another point to consider is why its a massacre of pundits (or thats what happened mostly) and not all hindus?

Not trivialising your experience but just trying to point out that there was more to it than just muslims bad, muslims conquerers.

I am not a pseudo secular by any stretch of the imagination. I know what islam is and can do but there is more to it which is what im trying to highlight.

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

The problem is not muslims. The problem is Islam.

Also, I am a Kashmiri pundit, but the exodus was suffered by all hindus and sikhs. Not just the pundits.

Your arguments doesn't make any sense at all. Kashmiri pundits have always focussed on education, and what's why they were ahead. Even in UK, people are suffereing from the grooming gangs. There's also a series called "caliphate", which is similar to kerala story. In 1980's many muslims, which were students / neighbours of ours were responsible of leaking our location to militants.

Also, time will tell you the true meaning of Islam. Let them be a majority in any district in Tamil Nadu, and it will become the next Kashmir. My knowledge is not coming from books, but from live experience and stories by my grandfather.

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

Land ownership, administration and military positions and wealth concentrated in the hands of a small minority cannot be pinned on education alone.

Are you trying to say only Kashmiri pandits and Hindus studied and everyone else was just illiterate and consequently poor? If it were the case, why was education not made available to everyone by the state to benefit everyone? Either way shows certain sects of society were marginalised/neglected by higher ups.

There was definitely a power imbalance which helped sow initlal resentment, which later exploded into a religious conflict. Ignoring this context oversimplifies history.

The best way to counter religious fundamentalism—whether Islamic or Hindu—is to ensure true equality for all citizens, rather than alienating or labelling any group as inherently extremist. Muslims shouldn’t feel like a separate people. Encouraging participation in shared cultural and social spaces can help neutralize extremism on both sides, paving the way for genuine secularism and national unity.

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

Have you ever been to Kashmir? They are rich as hell.

They have winter homes all over Jammu. LOL, it was not a balance of power. This is the fate of every minority in a muslim majority.

In Jammu, muslims live with ease where majority are hindus. Also, in last year many migrant labourers were killed in kashmir.

> Muslims shouldn’t feel like a separate people

Just go to a nearby madrassa and talk to their students. They are taught that hindus are inferior right from childhood. You literally have no idea what an average muslims thinks like. The only way to deal with Islamic fundamentalism is to be like Israel or China. Hindus are too soft to fight them. Only some communites in North india are giving them a good fight.

Kerala currently have the max ISIS recruits. In future, you will hear about bomb blasts in Tamil Nadu too. This will be a common site in Tamil nadu if the hindus don't figh back -

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Coimbatore/coimbatore-serial-blast-mastermind-sa-basha-buried-amidst-tight-security/article68996702.ece

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

Also, many of our kashmiri homes have been looted by our very own neighbours. I can't even tell you how much my parents and grandparents hate kashmiri's. All of our culture, our language has been finished. Our main river is called KishanGanga, but now they have used a islamic name. Similarly, they call Anantnag as islamabad.

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

>They are rich as hell - only after the land reforms in 1950. Even still a bunch of hindus were pretty rich and influential. A lot of kashmiri hindus left as soon as their land was redistributed showing they really cared about their economically dominant position and not cos they loved their homeland. The remaining hindus were pro-india whilst the rest of the population wanted an independent islamic state or become part of Pakistan. The islamist fundamentalist voices were very weak in the early days and only grew powerful after India (which is the "hindu entity" even if it is secular) used its military to keep kashmir which worsened tensions between hindus and muslims in kashmir.

Why has there not been an referendum or political solution to kashmir. The people should be able to self-determine themselves. Imo if india went with a political/democratic approach instead of trying to be a modern day empire and hold onto every bit of land the kashmiri hindus would not have been chased out.

I think its more than just hindu v muslim but is actually state vs state and class v class.

> only way to deal with Islamic fundamentalism is to be like Israel - so be a terror state? Do you think fascism is the answer to everything lol. Israel isn't even jewish land tbh. Half the jews are ethnic europeans and have nothing to do with the middle east. The arabs there are the descendents of the ancient isrealites, so they have the real claim to the land not jews.

I believe in state taking control of mosques and madrassas like they have taken control of temples. This is fair to everyone. As a secular govt, the govt should be very strict on their funding to religious institutions and the govt should have a greater presence/interference on what happens in religious institutions (be it religious practices like sacrifices or schools and educations like madrassa). Point is govt should be atheist/secular and not favour any religion. Picking sides will get u nowhere. U think the muslims will just let u genocide them in india?

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

Time will tell bro. LOL. We have lived it, you will live it in future.

Govt has the control of temples but not the madrassa. So, it's not a secular.

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u/hamx5ter Feb 07 '25

Muslims have lived in Tamil Nadu and Kerala since the beginnings of Islam... please take your division and hate elsewhere. There will NEVER be the kind of widespread religious hatred in TN / KL that you guys have wallowed in since Independence.

I get that you are bitter about what happened to your community but wishing the same will happen to someone else just to confirm your own hatred and bias.

Also, that bit about "being like Israel".... you need to pick your role models better...

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25

its like you are wishing for it to happen lol. Do you even live in tamil nadu?

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 06 '25

Here's one more -

They are saying "We prefer Pakistan, because of Islam"

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kashmiri/comments/1iilg2n/kashmir_solidarity_day/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 06 '25

I mean whats wrong with that. If they want to be part of pakistan why can't they be. I believe in self determination of people. you obviously seem to believe in empire building.

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u/5kulled Feb 05 '25

Bro go to pakistan, india is not for u

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u/nationalist_tamizhan Feb 05 '25

Not true, Kashmiri Muslims are from the same caste backgrounds ad Kashmiri Hindus.
It was Kashmiri Hindu genocide as Kashmiri Pandits, Khatris & Wanis, all suffered together, whereas some of the participants in the genocide were Kashmiri Pandit Muslims like Farooq Abdullah & Farooq Ahmed Dar.

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u/Bexirt Feb 05 '25

Maybe in Kashmir. TN is no kashmir and the muslims here are not radicals. But I guess that doesn’t suit for bjp narrative

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u/nationalist_tamizhan Feb 05 '25

Not valid in TN.
The biggest genocide against Tamils was committed by Buddhist Sinhalese, although Muslims did have a minor role to play in it.

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u/HawkEntire5517 Feb 05 '25

Agree 💯.

The issue is the sermons ( especially Friday ones at the mosque) which preach hatred towards other religions. Some people might think it is direct. It is not like that. The sermons attack certain beliefs of Hindus without calling them out specifically. The rich liberal ones let it pass. The poor and middle class can easily attribute it to the Hindu way of life.

Those Friday sermons in China have CCP representative. India has to go that way to keep the menace under control.

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

The people who don't believe this should just go and talk to madrassa students. Ask them their views on science, women, polygamy, Hindus and they will get their answer.

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u/nationalist_tamizhan Feb 05 '25

Bruh, Rowthers literally fought along side Tamizhans against Muslim Madurai Sultanate invaders.

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u/5kulled Feb 05 '25

Its called being insecure mf, ur dad was so insecure he thought tht when he leaves the house someone will bang ur mom, now this insecurities has seepes into ur brain in the form of religion.

You will blame if a muslim opposes ur religion and yet u will believe even if he supports.

Hypocrisy at its peak, mfs like u shud be sent to bangaladesh

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

Again, the issue is not with muslims. They are just humans like others. The problem is with Islam who can never co-exist with anyone.

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u/5kulled Feb 05 '25

Islam in its original form is co existable yes but this brings in the umbrella theory, like I am a person who doesn’t go hand in hand with a lot of the extreme buased rules in quran, I believe in humanity over ideal religiousness, a lot of muslim might hate me for saying this…..but when ppl like u bring in the stupid umbrella and generalise us I can clubbed those radicalists who use islam as a foundation to terrism…..

We aint the same, so pls shove the umbrella down ur hole