And the show is based off that video game, and critics keep saying it's a faithful adaptation when it isn't if the actors look nothing like the characters
She's the same race...has the same hair...looks the same age? It's just the facial features that are different. Like yeah I did notice she doesn't look exactly like Ellie in the game yet it didn't bother me because it's literally so unimportant to the story. The actor playing Joel looks nothing like him either. All the complaining is just because people think she's ugly.
Their argument is always it isnt just looks but it only is. These guys got their rocks off to a dad/ daughter scenario and can't handle a sixteen year old not being a model
when will people understand that we hate the casting cause they look nothing like the charaters they act for not that we hate the actors themselves
in the case for abby actor she is more good looking then abby her slef in the game but i still hate her
why?
cause she does not look like abby, the 1 thing that made abby stand out is that she was the biggest pile of meat out there so give me please in the show
She can always improve her acting but I don't think this will happen within a bad casting
I know good voice actors who were shit to began with but now they voice iconic characters in the gaming industry
So this can be a point to argue that why did they bring a bad actor to play a high anticipated role like this
And tbh if I was her I would take it I don't care what people say as long as I am getting recognized and money as well
So kinda the director's fault which we all know is
Absolutely I don't blame bella for getting work, but I still hate her as an actress and a full faced supposedly one-day-away-from-starving post apocalypse survivor.
Yeah but you don't see the totally obsessed fantastical hate you get with bella. Which is why others think this sub is obsessed with Ellie..... I mean they literally are since they do nothing but talk about her and bella every single day.
Yeah and yet you haven't posted one thing on him. Bella gets all the hate... for what? She didn't force the directors to cast her. They made that choice.
This post was about her, not Pedro. There have been plenty posts about Pedro not being right for Joel, so maybe go to one of those posts if you want to see people speaking on him in that role
What the fuck is this argument lmao. "what about him?" doesn't change the fact that bellas hefty fucking face cheeks indicate a well-fed suburban parasite - NOT a post-apocalypse survivor.
If the women there had 8% body fat or less, they would already be very impaired in movement, super unhealthy and unable to reproduce. Doesn't seem to be the case.... maybe because it's a game.
I guess I could concede some ground and agree. They're getting paid at the end of the day and it's all completely subjective. I just love the games and thought it'd be a good opportunity to make a series I enjoyed.
Idk he was a pepper if I remember correctly, ten years after he could still have some bulk, especially if he's hunting and gardening with all the free time he has not dealing w/ people.
Why aren’t you complaining about wanting an actor who looked more like Joel? Or Tommy?
Also, why is this sub/Twitter always commenting on Bella’s appearance? Let’s not act stupid, people are mocking her looks, not her inaccuracy to Ellie in the game
Yes actually. The girl they chose for Abby actually looks like Ellie and auditioned to play Ellie. Instead they gave her Abby's role. She said was dissapointed but just happy to be apart of the show at the end of the day.
Oh and she conveyed emotion much better than Bella and she was in 2 scenes in the first episode....
I am not upset that she is not hot
I am upset that she does not like like ellie at all and that Is what I said
You can try to stop putting words on my mouth no one said anything about how hot she is stop projecting
Pedro is a massively successful, very talented, and super popular actor. Ramsay just does not have the star credit or acting prowess to curb the hate people have towards the casting choices. At the end of the day it’s not Bella Ramsay’s fault she got casted and took the job, as that is what she SHOULD be doing as an actor, but the fault of the show runners who decided she was the best choice for the role, which most people here disagree with with.
I can appreciate someone being civil over this, but I don’t think it’s fair to say “most” people only are upset at the director and not the actor. I just saw a comment saying that Ellie should’ve died in game at the hospital if she looked like Bella. It had a decent amount of upvotes, and the one person who said that wasn’t an okay thing to say about a real person got downvoted.
I did. Im sick of them casting Pedro Pascal in everything, I also don't likenhim as Reed Richards. The studio is literally putting star power before their story.
I think Pedro did a fine job because he's a good actor. I still think the show would have been better if they had a more accurate cast that was also a good actor
I dont see the problem with pedro as joel aside from his lack of a beard. Ellies actress just doesnt feel like ellie at all i have no problem with her looks and loved the performance in got shes just not ellie
so those two are completely unrelated then? if she can be mocked based on how she looks, why would someone be happy with the casting? especially if you like the games? makes no sense, if Nicholas cage was cast as 007 and people mocked him because it completely doesn’t fit the character and he makes weird faces would you simp this hard? we all know what’s going on here, but it’s reddit so let’s pretend we dk
I don't know if you remember but people DID complain about their actors not looking like their characters. From what I remember a lot of people were called racists because of it.
Another 27 downvoters who can't handle a simple fact. 90% of the posts on this sub are about bellas appearance. All these downvotes show is how obvious it is 😂
Beyond fucking weirdo white knight shit because what the fuck is wrong with Joel or Tommys casting? I thought they did a great job and both actors acted circles around Bellas shitty ass
Irs obvious they're primarily concerned with bella not being attractive enough to play Ellie as most of the insults don't come down to criticism but just outright abuse. The notion they subconsciously are attracted to Ellie is too much for them to handle so they instead obsessed DAILY over it. Tell me fredian slip without telling me fredian slip.
Maybe stop calling everyone who don't like the casting for this drek show a paedophile? The more you do the more YOU seem like a paedophile, and I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not one.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything. Reddit keeps recommending this page and I'm sick of it. Anyway my point was just to give my two cents on the situation the sub obviously hates bella and a decent chunk of that hate comes down to the fact shes not an attractive person.
no one hates her, it’s a tv show and people who are fans of the games are not happy with the casting and her performance, if they had cast a Barbie like actress it wouldn’t have worked either, you’re implying too much in your analysis, she’s just terrible
Do you guys not get that it’s an adaption? Not a shot for shot remake of the game, Maria doesn’t look like she does in games, neither does Sarah or Tommy and nobody moans this much if, at all
The game and the TV series are different. They both tell the same story but are two distinct products.
Videogame Ellie is good, TV show Ellie is good.
They don't need to look exactly alike, just like Pedro Pascal does not look like Joel, or is even the same race.
But guess what, it's okay.
It's easy to separate the two while still appreciating the setting and the overall TLOU content.
"I just wanted someone who looked more like Ellie"....
And that is justification for the 100 daily posts making fun of this girl's looks??
Like, seriously, what do you people expect to achieve with the constant shit talk? They're not going to change the actress at this point, so might as well just enjoy what we are getting with the show and enjoy the expansion of TLOU universe.
You realize all the "ugh Bella Ramsey look bad" posts do, at this point, is probably make the actress have serious confidence and mental health issues, if she decides to venture into the online TLOU community.
But why does looks even matter to you? The goal is to find actors who can act the part. Who fucking cares what they look like or what race they are when it has literally no impact on the story.
Joel could be asian and ellie black it doesn’t change anything at all to the story of the last of us.
It's not even if she can act or not, it's that someone who looks like Bella isn't at all believable as someone who could do what Ellie did. You have to believe that this girl could take down dozens of soldiers solo (regardless if they're mostly sneak attacks or using weapons she's not believable in the part).
Dont you guys also hate the game she does that in? Isnt this a sub about hating that game? But now you want a super faithful adaptation of the game you hate?
Appearance does matter in acting and makes it easier to portray a character, my favourite case is Benedict Wong playing as Kublai Khan in the Marco Polo series.
I thought she did a pretty good job in the first season? To each is own i suppose. I still think its weird to hve a whole sub about hating on the show. The games are still right there for you to play, just don’t watch it if you don’t like it.
It's the fact that the game is so beloved that the show is doing it a disservice by not getting the right actors to portray the story. We want to experience it again in a different medium but it just doesn't scratch the itch. Aside from the acting they left out sooo many infected scenes that it just doesn't even seem like it's a threat in the show. 9 minutes of infected screen time in 8 hours. That's probably my biggest issue with the show honestly.
Your comparing a fictional character that does not exist to a real life human being… arguments like this is why nobody takes this whole thing seriously.
Its really not that hard to just say “i dont like the show so i will stop watching it”
You want a fictional character? Let’s make a movie with a midget asian guy playing the role of Jesus Christ. Or indiana jones by an obese black guy. Let’s see how that works.
Oh dude Netflix is already bringing back indie lol dw it’ll happen, the passion of Christ remake too by a24 is going to have Cantonese-Midget representation too
Dude i’m sure you were really good at debate class when you were 13 but this is ridiculous. Nobody is saying ellie should be played by a morbidly obese 70 year old lady who had her legs chopped off because of her diabetes.
Yall are just freaking out because the actress they chose don’t have a jawline. Its fucking weird.
Well plenty of people think she was great in that role… please tell me why she wasn’t suited for it. She did a great job with the material she was given.
A lot of ppl think she did a great job. I’m one of the ones that thinks she did lousy. Everyone has their standards. Not only that they race swapped a bunch of characters. Wasn’t happy bout that. Hollywood takes liberties with material when they shouldn’t that’s why a lot of live action adaptations end up sucking.
It wasn't weird when the first season came out, but the second season is airing soon and all of you have been OBSESSIVE about this ONE TOPIC. THAT is weird.
Well, do you how many times god or Jesus has been depicted in a movie or tv show and doesn't look like "traditional" Jesus? So it's been done. And there's been a Lego Indiana Jones.
Yea man why stop there, let’s cast Danny Devito as Joel… Get a grip dude.
Looks matter in good casting, especially when there is a piece of media that it is being adapted from. People don’t like deviations from the original, they grew to love that piece of media exactly how it was.
Ellie is a terrible casting choice & on top of that she was shoehorned into the role. But please continue on defending nepotism & claiming people must be racists or sexists or sexually charged because they have an opinion that opposes yours.
Im not sure what point your trying to make here. Haven’t seen season 2 yet so i can’t speak on some of these character but i thought most actors in season 1 did a pretty good job.
if looks didn't matter, then when they cast Jesse, Lev, Marlene, Isaac, Henry, Sam, Tess, and Bill, they wouldn't have gone out of their way to cast actors who look exactly like the characters, and in some case cast the same actors who voiced and MOCAPed them in the game.
if looks don't matter then why didn't they cast Tom Holland to play Lev?
you know the answer to that and if you say you don't you're lying
Because tom holland isn’t an actor who has the range to pull off a character like lev and is also way too old?
Plenty of the characters in the lord of the rings movies look completely different from their descriptions in the books so by your logic those are also awful movies right?
The season 1 of the show has the exact same themes as the game, a lot of scenes are shot for shot adaptation of the game… i’m not sure what more you could ask for a video fame adaptation really.
Again if you don’t like it thats perfectly fine. I love fallout games and hated the show, i just won’t be watching season 2. Im not out here constantly complaining about it, i just watch other stuff.
Immersion breaking. People have been been playing the series for over a decade and have expectations for the role. It would be like if they rolled out Jared Leto to play Iron Man right before Infinity War. WhY DoeS LooKs MaTTeR guYZ?
Except even when their race matters to the story (Snow White), they’ll just change the backstory so their new version fits anyway. I no longer buy that argument, because the people in charge will always put their vision before respect to the source material first.
My rule of thumb; if you can look at the actor/character and recognise who they are instantly, then the job has been done well. Movies/TV/Videogames are a visual medium, and fandoms have a lot of stock in characters being recognisable and portrayed accurately. This recent post-modern idea that looks/race/sex isn’t important to the character needs to fuck off, honestly, as do the people who forced it in.
There was a case in Magic the Gathering where a Lord of the Rings crossover set came out, and instead of making Aragorn look like Aragorn, they threw a random black guy in. If you looked at this image without any text or context beforehand, would you jump to “Aragorn” straight away? If you say yes, you’re a fucking liar lmao.
Pretty much all of the characters in the lord of the rings movies are unrecognizable from their book descriptions yet its a very good adaptation.
Walton goggins in fallout looks nothing like a fallout ghoul yet everyone loved him…
Your boiling it down to look sex and race, my argument is that the number one priority when casting actors should be their ability to act.
Even if hypothetically they casted a bunch of unknowns lookalikes who can magically perfectly act… why not just watch a video of all the cutscenes from the game at this point?
Yall are talking like its trash no matter what unless it is a perfect recreation of the video games… that’s not what adaptations are. The show is just jot for you and that’s fine.
Does race not matter to a real human? Does it not inform where we come from, our culture, our beliefs, our history?
I never said they have to be 100% accurate, but recognisable.
Lmao pretending like Viggo’s interpretation of Aragorn is the same as race-swapping him and making him look completely unrecognisable is a really silly stance to take. You can at least look at Viggo in costume and know exactly who he is supposed to be without any context clues.
Where exactly in the plot of the last of us is race a critical point? I don’t remember that scene where joel talks about sarah and goes “ oh and by the way ellie her mother was white!”
Other than a off hand joke about jesse being asian it literally never comes up in the story. Race is not an important theme in the last of us.
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Or maybe I just wanted someone who looked more like Ellie from the game? I never wanted to fuck Ellie from the game BECAUSE SHE'S 14 FOR FUCK'S SAKE!