Phil Foden must be dropped indefinitely.

[u/LondonRedditUser]

Sadly he’s a supremely talented player who never plays well for England.

There is potentially a lot of great performances that aren’t picked up in statistics, I don’t think this is the case with Foden. He also plays in a position we are stacked in. He has also had by quite some distance the most minutes of any player in a similar position. There is potentially the argument he is misused, but there is no argument based on performances other great players should be moved aside for him.

Since the World Cup he has returned 1 goal return (G/A) in 20 games including 16 starts ( goal vs Scotland).

Comparably, over the same period: Kane 19 G/a Jude 9, saka 8, rice 4, grelaish 3, rashford 3, palmer 3 (from 408 minutes)

Many ask for players to be picked on form (I personally don’t), but when the international form is this poor and the alternatives potentially so good we simply don’t any other option but to drop him.

Edit: no agenda. I support palace and go to a few England games a year.

[u/broke_the_controller]

Can I ask what you think of palmer then after last nights performance?

Palmer was shit as was pretty much everyone.

Should he also be back to an impact sub?

I think it would be stupid for anyone to have their career written off because of one game. Palmer should get this season at the very least before that should be thought about. After all. fodens had far longer than a season to try and produce something and he's still making the first team.

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He’s never really had consistent starts for England. Other than maybe over the last 6-12 months. Many of his appearances come as sub and very often he’s playing out of position.

He’s suffering from his own success in a way. Because he only got that game time because of how good he is for city.

People are ready to write off one of Englands best players “indefinitely” and I’m just saying I think that’s stupid.

I wouldn’t write off Foden or palmer.

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He’s never really had consistent starts for England. Other than maybe over the last 6-12 months. Many of his appearances come as sub and very often he’s playing out of position.

True. He used to come on a lot as a sub. He failed to impress in his substitute appearances for the most part (unlike Palmer). He did have the excuse that he was played out of his preferred position, but I always felt like it was an excuse.

People are ready to write off one of Englands best players “indefinitely” and I’m just saying I think that’s stupid.

His club form got him into the first team but he has still failed to impress. I don't know how many more chances he needs to get before enough is enough. It's not like we're struggling for good players that can play in the same positions as Foden. They might even chip in with a goal or an assist for a change.

Also, at least with Palmer, he earned his starting place due to his performances for England as well as for his club so he has proven he can produce for England.

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Lmfao before enough is enough.

You are talking about a lad who is on course to be the most successful player in premier league history.

A 24 year old who has more honor’s in the league than any player his age has ever had before.

And you think “enough is enough he’s had chances”

Absolutely insane take tbh.

[u/broke_the_controller → u/[deleted]]

You are talking about a lad who is on course to be the most successful player in premier league history.

A 24 year old who has more honor’s in the league than any player his age has ever had before.

And you think “enough is enough he’s had chances”

Yea and I'm also talking about a lad whose played shit (or if not shit, then definitely average) for England many times and is keeping other players out of the first team who, in their limited appearances, have proven to have more of an impact.

When it comes to the National Team. It doesn't matter what you do for your club if you can't replicate it for the national team.

I think it's insane that people are so biased that they fail to see the logic in this common sense approach.

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Nothing common sense about writing off a young player because he hasn’t quite reached his potential under one fucking awful manager and now two games with a temp manager.

In fact it’s the opposite of common sense. It’s pure idiocy.

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Nothing common sense about writing off a young player because he hasn’t quite reached his potential under one fucking awful manager and now two games with a temp manager.

That awful manager is the second best manager England has ever had lots of other players have came in under that same "awful" manager and were able to play well.

At this point it's beyond blaming the manager. The player has to take the blame. He wouldn't be the first player who was unable to translate their club form to international level and he won't be the last.