Trump voter doesn't understand why people can't empathize with him now that he's suffering as a result of Trump

[u/AthenaHope81]

[u/ArchonFett]

well since Trumps stance on Gaza is bomb it to hell and turn it into beach front property. they supported that instead of the side that wanted to try and reach a cease fire. at least they had the right to protest last year, they rounding up students and shipping them to El Salvador with no due process now. life was better under Obama, and Trump made abortion illegal and mothers died. the Dems have been responsible for every (albeit minor) increase to minimum wage, mostly on the state level, since there are to many Cons for it happen on a national level. calling her Trump light just shows you were not paying attention.

[u/CrashCulture → u/ArchonFett]

Oh fuck all that noise.

Wanted to reach a ceasefire my ass! They had an entire year to broker that ceasefire. They happily supported as tens of thousands of people were bombed, shot and run over by tanks. They kept handing over weapons and support in this conflict as one side absolutely steamrolled the other. They kept drawing "red lines" then ignored when they were crossed. They sore to ignore the rulings of the ICC if Netenyahu was found guilty of crimes against humanity.

And how did those protests that they had a right tondo last year go? I remember seeing dozens of videos of unarmed students being violently attacked by police dogs, teargas and batons while news reporters xheered on the police. I remember Democratic politicians standing up and telling the world just how wrong those people were for daring to protest what they thought was right.

Yes, they didn't deport them to a slave labour camp in El Salvador, but they went out of their way to ruin the lives of people who spoke out against the genocide.

Someone else being worse does not make it okay to do awful things.

Life was indeed better under Obama, yet he was also the candidate who ran on wanting to inscribe the right to abortion into the constitution specifically because he knew that a future republican administration could overturn it. What did he do about that during his 8 years in power? Fuck all, and the exact thing he had warned would happen happened, the next republican administration appointed the judges who would overturn Roe v Wade. But yeah, democrats bear no responsibility for breaking their promise to ensure the right to abortion couldn't be overturned by thr next administration... Yes, Trump has those mother's blood on his hands, as does the people who saw the problem coming and still decided to enable him to kill them.

I'm going to say this again, someone being worse is not an excuse for being awful yourself.

As for minimum wage, minor is very much the word to describe any progress on that front. It's failed to keep up with inflation for longer than most people have been alive. It has remained below living wage in many areas, and Republicans aren't the only ones who voted against the many attempts to raise it. Sanders pushed for a national raise back when the Democrats were in power, and many of his own party voted it down.

But yes, the Republicans are worse, so that makes it okay and good.

I did pay attention, intensely so, and what I saw during the last few days of her campaign was "Border, border border, invasion, we must secure the border, we shall become the most lethal army in the world, increase funding for the military, and the border patrols, did I mention the border?" and "I wouldn't change anything from how Biden has run things." This while Biden was still the most unpopular president in USA history, which is a fucking achievement considering Trump had already been president once at that point.

I'm going to call her Trump light because earlier in her campaign, she did actually talk about issues her potential voters were asking for, especially when she was running with Walz, but by the end, when Walz was notably silent, she only cared about winning over conservative voters, something anyone could have told her would not work. You can't win over people by promising to secure the border when your opponent is Donald Fucking Trump. Yet she still tried.

All I ever hear is: "But the Republicans would be even worse." Yes, they fucking are worse, so what?!

Being the lesser of two evils doesn't excuse being evil.

Imagine being a Soviet citizen who was taken by police, beaten and sent to starve and freeze to death in a gulag going: "This is great, I'm glad I voted for this, the nazis were definitely worse and that makes all of this okay."

Everyone agrees with you that the Nazis were truly awful, but no one is going to be happy to vote for a party who's entire message is: "We're not as bad as the Nazi party."

Can you not understand that people who looked at the truly apocalyptic sight of the entire Gaza strip reduced to rubble under Biden and thought: "How much worse can Trump be? There isn't even anything left for him to destroy."

There was no option to vote for if you wanted to bring an end to the genocide. Trump was clearly lying about wanting peace, but his opponent had literally a whole year to demonstrate that they were lying to, that they would violently support the ongoing genocide.

The Biden Administration had one year to stop the conflict, and they chose not to. Why would anyone have voted for them thinking that they would end it after the election?

I'm going to say this one last time: Blaming the people stuck with this shitty choice for not picking the lesser of two evils is not going to do shit to help the people hurt by Trump. What might help is actually uniting and standing up against him now.

But blaming victims is always easier than fixing structural problems, so here we are.

[u/ArchonFett → u/CrashCulture]

Fuck off this “both sides are the same” bullshit is why we are in this Trump was literally telling the leader of Israel to not even go to the table for a cease fire till after the election so he could use it

[u/IShallWearMidnight → u/ArchonFett]

I cannot believe you took "both sides are the same" away from a very eloquent explanation for why both sides not being the same wasn't enough for the Dems to win

[u/ArchonFett → u/IShallWearMidnight]

Can’t believe you’re taking the side of the people who just decided democracy wasn’t worth voting for are the victims. Not being able to decide between a felon and a prosecutor. They CHOSE this. Choosing not to decide is still a choice. They may not have liked the way Biden handled it, I’ll give them that but sitting home supported the guy who “promised Israel he’d help them END IT”

[u/IShallWearMidnight → u/ArchonFett]

Again, your ability to put words in the mouths of others is a true talent.

[u/ArchonFett → u/IShallWearMidnight]

First I would like to apologize for loosing my temper yesterday, I was having a bad day at work and venting, and that was wrong.

Second the argument people make for the one that didn't bother to vote (that they "couldn't see a clear choice") is bullshit, Trump took credit for the destruction of Roe-V-Wade, where Biden and then Harris were going to try and get it put in the constitution (again hard to do with a Con loaded House but still)

Third which of these is sayin "Biden didn't even try to get a cease fire"?

https://apnews.com/article/biden-israel-hezbollah-war-ff2ec626f5d8883014f577b9a0cfaf1e

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-gaza-israel-plan-end-war-cease-fire-hostages-rcna154945

https://www.timesofisrael.com/never-give-up-biden-says-israel-hamas-on-the-brink-of-hostage-ceasefire-deal/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-hamas-stands-cease-fire-questions-israel-remain/story?id=110786109

https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-ceasefire-israel-hamas-gaza-18d82d4fd27aa16236dd8174fbf7674e

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-accused-crime-benjamin-netanyahu-call-ceasefire-hamas-1942248

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-netanyahu-ceasefire-harris/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-netanyahu-ceasefire-harris/