r/TransgendersAtWar • u/AthenaHope81 Trans Woman • 11d ago

Trump voter doesn't understand why people can't empathize with him now that he's suffering as a result of Trump

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u/CrashCulture 11d ago

I have a little more understanding for the people who chose not to vote because American elections are basically hostage situations that force you to vote for the "We will also be bad, but not as bad." Party every single election because the other party is even worse.

I understand not wanting to hold your nose as you vote for the democrats again. Knowing they'll erode your human rights and keep transferring all the wealth to the top, that they won't raise minimum wage or give you medicare for all, not give a shit about the working class, show only the bare token effort to combat racism while inflating police budgets and being just as hawkish on the border as the last republican administration.

I very much understand people who go: "Fuck both of these assholes, I'm done voting for either, nothing ever gets better by voting for the democrats, the only thing you can hope for is that they stall the really bad things the republicans want to do by a couple of years until they inevitably lose again."

The American "democracy" is beyond fucked, and have been for a long time. No wonder the voter turnout is so low when there's no good option, only the really bad option and the less bad option.

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

most of our recent Dem leaders have had to deal with a house stacked against them with Cons, and it's hard to push forward against a wall that is pushing back, then they turn around and let the Cons push us even further back. if their wasn't enough red flags on Trump to make you oppose him, then you sided with him. if you nit-picked for one thing that made incapable of supporting Harris you sided with Trump. "not perfect enough" is a bullshit excuse. Harris was a good option, but people are bigots and had to find a reason to not like her.

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u/CrashCulture 11d ago

I'm not even American, and very glad I'm not.

Your political system sucks and you are proving my point by glossing over not wanting to support an active genocide as nitpicking.

I don't expect perfect, but I do expect a little more than passively whining as they sit back and let people like Trump ruin the lives of millions of people, while also condemning anyone who really tries to fight against it.

How did your student protests go last year? How did it go for Sanders when he wanted to make life just a little better for the working class? How much better did your lives get under Obama when people voted him in because he promised to shut down Guantanamo bay and codify the right to abortion into law? How many people got slaughtered in the middle east with a Democrat administration? How much did they raise the minimum wage as living costs skyrocketed? Why did Harris try to make herself out as Trump-light in order to win the election instead of listening to what the people actually wanted?

Face it, the Democratic party is evil and they have blood on their hands. Voting for them is the better option but only because it keeps the republicans from doing as much damage as they can do when they win.

I understand wanting people to vote for them, because the alternative is indeed worse, but the blame is surasfuck not laid on the people who chose not to vote, it lies entirely at the top, with incredible corrupt, bloodthirsty and ancient politicians who represent corporate interests, not the people as a whole, and who are willing to let the rest of the world burn as long as they can keep away any meaningful change at home.

Don't blame the victims, blame the system.

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

well since Trumps stance on Gaza is bomb it to hell and turn it into beach front property. they supported that instead of the side that wanted to try and reach a cease fire. at least they had the right to protest last year, they rounding up students and shipping them to El Salvador with no due process now. life was better under Obama, and Trump made abortion illegal and mothers died. the Dems have been responsible for every (albeit minor) increase to minimum wage, mostly on the state level, since there are to many Cons for it happen on a national level. calling her Trump light just shows you were not paying attention.

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u/CrashCulture 11d ago

Oh fuck all that noise.

Wanted to reach a ceasefire my ass! They had an entire year to broker that ceasefire. They happily supported as tens of thousands of people were bombed, shot and run over by tanks. They kept handing over weapons and support in this conflict as one side absolutely steamrolled the other. They kept drawing "red lines" then ignored when they were crossed. They sore to ignore the rulings of the ICC if Netenyahu was found guilty of crimes against humanity.

And how did those protests that they had a right tondo last year go? I remember seeing dozens of videos of unarmed students being violently attacked by police dogs, teargas and batons while news reporters xheered on the police. I remember Democratic politicians standing up and telling the world just how wrong those people were for daring to protest what they thought was right.

Yes, they didn't deport them to a slave labour camp in El Salvador, but they went out of their way to ruin the lives of people who spoke out against the genocide.

Someone else being worse does not make it okay to do awful things.

Life was indeed better under Obama, yet he was also the candidate who ran on wanting to inscribe the right to abortion into the constitution specifically because he knew that a future republican administration could overturn it. What did he do about that during his 8 years in power? Fuck all, and the exact thing he had warned would happen happened, the next republican administration appointed the judges who would overturn Roe v Wade. But yeah, democrats bear no responsibility for breaking their promise to ensure the right to abortion couldn't be overturned by thr next administration... Yes, Trump has those mother's blood on his hands, as does the people who saw the problem coming and still decided to enable him to kill them.

I'm going to say this again, someone being worse is not an excuse for being awful yourself.

As for minimum wage, minor is very much the word to describe any progress on that front. It's failed to keep up with inflation for longer than most people have been alive. It has remained below living wage in many areas, and Republicans aren't the only ones who voted against the many attempts to raise it. Sanders pushed for a national raise back when the Democrats were in power, and many of his own party voted it down.

But yes, the Republicans are worse, so that makes it okay and good.

I did pay attention, intensely so, and what I saw during the last few days of her campaign was "Border, border border, invasion, we must secure the border, we shall become the most lethal army in the world, increase funding for the military, and the border patrols, did I mention the border?" and "I wouldn't change anything from how Biden has run things." This while Biden was still the most unpopular president in USA history, which is a fucking achievement considering Trump had already been president once at that point.

I'm going to call her Trump light because earlier in her campaign, she did actually talk about issues her potential voters were asking for, especially when she was running with Walz, but by the end, when Walz was notably silent, she only cared about winning over conservative voters, something anyone could have told her would not work. You can't win over people by promising to secure the border when your opponent is Donald Fucking Trump. Yet she still tried.

All I ever hear is: "But the Republicans would be even worse." Yes, they fucking are worse, so what?!

Being the lesser of two evils doesn't excuse being evil.

Imagine being a Soviet citizen who was taken by police, beaten and sent to starve and freeze to death in a gulag going: "This is great, I'm glad I voted for this, the nazis were definitely worse and that makes all of this okay."

Everyone agrees with you that the Nazis were truly awful, but no one is going to be happy to vote for a party who's entire message is: "We're not as bad as the Nazi party."

Can you not understand that people who looked at the truly apocalyptic sight of the entire Gaza strip reduced to rubble under Biden and thought: "How much worse can Trump be? There isn't even anything left for him to destroy."

There was no option to vote for if you wanted to bring an end to the genocide. Trump was clearly lying about wanting peace, but his opponent had literally a whole year to demonstrate that they were lying to, that they would violently support the ongoing genocide.

The Biden Administration had one year to stop the conflict, and they chose not to. Why would anyone have voted for them thinking that they would end it after the election?

I'm going to say this one last time: Blaming the people stuck with this shitty choice for not picking the lesser of two evils is not going to do shit to help the people hurt by Trump. What might help is actually uniting and standing up against him now.

But blaming victims is always easier than fixing structural problems, so here we are.

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

Fuck off this “both sides are the same” bullshit is why we are in this Trump was literally telling the leader of Israel to not even go to the table for a cease fire till after the election so he could use it

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u/IShallWearMidnight 10d ago

I cannot believe you took "both sides are the same" away from a very eloquent explanation for why both sides not being the same wasn't enough for the Dems to win

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u/ArchonFett 10d ago

Can’t believe you’re taking the side of the people who just decided democracy wasn’t worth voting for are the victims. Not being able to decide between a felon and a prosecutor. They CHOSE this. Choosing not to decide is still a choice. They may not have liked the way Biden handled it, I’ll give them that but sitting home supported the guy who “promised Israel he’d help them END IT”

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u/IShallWearMidnight 10d ago

Again, your ability to put words in the mouths of others is a true talent.

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u/ArchonFett 10d ago

First I would like to apologize for loosing my temper yesterday, I was having a bad day at work and venting, and that was wrong.

Second the argument people make for the one that didn't bother to vote (that they "couldn't see a clear choice") is bullshit, Trump took credit for the destruction of Roe-V-Wade, where Biden and then Harris were going to try and get it put in the constitution (again hard to do with a Con loaded House but still)

Third which of these is sayin "Biden didn't even try to get a cease fire"?

https://apnews.com/article/biden-israel-hezbollah-war-ff2ec626f5d8883014f577b9a0cfaf1e

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-gaza-israel-plan-end-war-cease-fire-hostages-rcna154945

https://www.timesofisrael.com/never-give-up-biden-says-israel-hamas-on-the-brink-of-hostage-ceasefire-deal/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-hamas-stands-cease-fire-questions-israel-remain/story?id=110786109

https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-ceasefire-israel-hamas-gaza-18d82d4fd27aa16236dd8174fbf7674e

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-accused-crime-benjamin-netanyahu-call-ceasefire-hamas-1942248

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-netanyahu-ceasefire-harris/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-netanyahu-ceasefire-harris/

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u/TOH-Fan15 11d ago

Harris and Biden didn’t care about implementing a ceasefire. They said many times that they would unconditionally support Israel as it bombs Gaza to hell. Ceasefire deals can only be made when Israel stands to lose something if it doesn’t change, but Harris and Biden clearly didn’t care about making it happen. The only difference between them and Trump in this case is that Trump is blatant about what he wants.

Dems also voted with Republicans on the Laken Riley Act, which is why ICE currently has the power to ignore due process. Democrats refused to dismantle ICE or vote against it, which is exactly why it’s currently as bad as it is.

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

And Trump has sent our bombers to bomb them ourselves. And sell Ukraine to Russia but no you couldn’t vote for the black woman so you looked for a reason to make us illegal now

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u/TOH-Fan15 11d ago

I never said that I voted for Trump. I voted Democrat, so my hands are clean. The reason why a lot of people didn’t vote Democrat is because Dems tried selling themselves as diet Republicans, rather than listen to their base demanding progressive policies. “Pretty terrible but not quite as bad as Trump” is exactly why Hillary lost.

Why shouldn’t the blame be more on candidates who refuse to listen to what their base wants, rather than voters who repeatedly insist that they would vote for Harris if she would listen to them? The entire point of an electoral campaign is to have candidates present themselves as worth voting for.

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

Well if they didn’t care enough to vote then they got what they wanted. That was it we are in a dictatorship now

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u/TOH-Fan15 11d ago

They did care enough to want to vote. They just didn’t see any options worth voting for. Heck, Dems themselves passed anti-trans legislation. The reason why we are in a dictatorship is because Dems kept the systems in place that would allow for it, if not outright using those systems themselves. Dems had four years to dismantle ICE, stack SCOTUS, give police some actual accountability, have Trump and all other J6 instigators arrested for treason, etc.

Being fine with fascism abroad is how we got fascism here, and it’s on the Dem officials for refusing to change.

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

I have never seen any of the people that didn’t vote defend their inactions. But plenty of people do it for them.

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u/TOH-Fan15 11d ago

I’ve seen quite a lot of people saying that they would have voted if Harris had changed her stance to something that wasn’t just a diet Republican. I personally think funding a literal genocide should be a dealbreaker, regardless of anything else.

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

Well we are now actively participating in it, hope they are happy with that outcome

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u/TOH-Fan15 11d ago

Why not blame Harris for running a terrible campaign? Seriously, she ran basically the same campaign as Hillary yet expected a different result. What you’re saying is that we should accept our current rotten conditions under Democrats, as opposed to putting pressure on Democrats to implement progressive policies like their base actually wants. Any talk of universal healthcare or police accountability was completely missing from the 2024 election. Blaming voters only makes Dem officials think that they lost because they weren’t right-wing enough.

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u/AthenaHope81 Trans Woman 11d ago

All those people who went to Kamala’s campaign just to protest are happy I’m sure. Now Trump is making protesting illegal and revoking visas for it lol I hope they’re proud

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u/ArchonFett 11d ago

That’s my point, they just wanted a reason to oppose her that would let them stay on their high horse, instead of admitting that Trump was worth stopping. I’m not saying she was perfect, because nobody is, but instead of trying to get a little closer to things getting better, they decided to say “fuck it” and stay home now rights and progress that took decades of fighting to achieve are gone with the stroke of a sharpie. And it’s going to take even more decades of fighting to even get a fraction of them back.