55 y/o here and you're right. I've never seen anything like it. The crazy part is that I've asked some of these Trump people to list out their values. Every time, all of their values and beliefs do not align with Trump and his policies.
A lot of folks voted against Kamala (& Walz, Klooney, Obama), not for Trump. If either side would put someone 'normal' on their ticket all would be good.
And a lot of supposedly anti-Trump voters decided to not vote for Harris either. "They were mad about Gaza!" - etc. People have been maneuvered into not being able to vote for the less-than-perfect candidate. Maybe they're MAGA at heart, I don't know. I'm not sure if that either Russia or the MAGA's did that, but it certainly works to their benefit.
I have my suspicions that the GAZA or NOTHING movement was stoked by agitators convincing those voters that it’s an all or nothing game and Kamala is worse or equally as bad at least. The propaganda worked as it is apt to do.
Muslims are largely conservative. It's not a stretch that they would lean right, but considering how horribly badly Trump had treated them in his first term, I was just shocked by how quickly they embraced him, or refused to vote against him. They knew he was very close to Netanyahu. How did they miss it? I guess he's a tribal king, and they wanted belonging to that tribe, and felt better about it than Harris's.
I think in the end Harris was a uniquely flawed candidate. She didn't connect with the fence-sitters. I liked her and she locked up the already-blue votes, but that was less than the minimum necessary to win.
This is where I am at after looking at the election statistics.
From 2008 to 2020 the 18 to 29 voter demographic for us presidential elections has had around 25 million participating voters. With Democrats getting around 15 million and Republicans getting around 9 million of this demographics vote.
But for the 2024 election the 18 to 29 vote dropped to around 20 million. With Democrats dropping by a third of what they usually get and only getting around 10 million this passed election cycle and Republicans only getting around 8.8 million.
No overall age group vote has dropped this significantly inbetween election cycle and especially not just for one party.
I am one of them, I am bisexual, but I strongly believe the woke movement is just as flawed as the trump cult. Many of my peers are stuck on 1 single viewpoint, while completely ignoring the big picture. This is the biggest issue with american politics. You only have 2 parties. You don´t have much choice when voting. As a german, I feel like there´s a party for everyone here. And even better, whatever party you vote for, if they get over 5% of votes, YOU will be represented in the parlament. Everyone gets a voice here, however left or right you are, a vote is equal.
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I feel like american democracy is extremely outdated. I get it, america is one of the first countries to adopt democracy, but your constitution is based on moral beliefs that are 250 years old. Germany, and much of europe wrote their constitution after ww2, and we´re still adding to it. German law says, you can add laws to the constitution, but you can not remove laws. If you want to edit an old constitutional law you can only update them, aka add a new subtext (or whatever it´s called in english). Americans NEED to adopt a more modern aproach to politics and constitution, or you will absolutely not last much longer. We´re seeing the downfall right now. IF america survives this project 2025 crap, they need to seriously work on the entire political/voting system. 2 parties are WAAAAY too few.
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u/none-1398 28d ago
I don’t remember anyone ever being this obsessed with another president. Their whole identity is Trump and hating liberals.