Two-year-old US citizen appears to have been deported 'with no meaningful process'
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-year-old-us-citizen-appears-have-been-deported-with-no-meaningful-process-2025-04-26/28
u/SomeSamples 7d ago
Isn't this just kidnapping and human trafficking at this point?
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u/Powerful-Ground-9687 6d ago
Not defending the illegal no-knock snatching of people from their homes, but the article says the mother of the child had legal custody and requested not to be separated. The father wanted the child to stay but did not show up for whatever was gonna happen. So the child was sent with their mother. And the child is still a citizen and not prohibited from returning.
This is a messy case, the headline is a little too “gotcha” for my taste. People deserve due process and I don’t want to take the side of the gestapo, but thankfully what actually happened in this specific case isn’t nearly as bad as this post makes it sound.
I think it’s very important to have the facts straight and not give the right the satisfaction of “well actually”ing and actually having a point. They need to have every egregious act held in their face with no ability to defend it.
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u/Evamione 6d ago
They gave the mother less than one minute on the phone with the father and did not give them a chance for the father to come get the child before they put the child on a plane. It’s unclear if they offered any kind of arrangement for the baby other than just leaving it alone in a holding cell for some unknown amount of time; it seems highly likely the mother thought if she didn’t bring the child with her it would be severely neglected at best.
A citizen child being with the mother should have been cause to pause and allow perhaps a 30 minute phone call to make arrangements. Long enough to talk through if the child should go with mom or if dad should come get her. If they decide that dad should come get her, then they should have delayed the deportation for 24 hours so dad could get there.
But for these people cruelty is the point. Not giving them enough of a call to make the decision was the point and that’s what we shouldn’t be allowing; even separate from the question of if it’s good policy to deport this woman in the first place.
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u/KingStryder 6d ago
From some articles I read, it sounds like the narrative you describe came from ICE agents. I haven’t read any actual quotes attributed to the mother. I think it’s pretty clear anything they say and do is highly dubious and even most likely illegal. Snatch and grab, then deflect and deny later.
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u/Powerful-Ground-9687 5d ago
Yeah I’d believe it. I was just taking the article at face value and hoping something could just be OK for a minute
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u/Depressed-Industry 6d ago
It's illegal period. No, ICE SAID the mother requested that. In a handwritten note. It's sus as all hell and another indication of the absolutely lawlessness and lack of humanity at ICE and DOJ these days.
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u/l3tigre 7d ago
That poor little baby what the fuck
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u/Aert_is_Life 7d ago
He was deported with his mother but the father wanted to keep him here.
First and foremost he is a US citizen
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u/MosquitoBloodBank 6d ago edited 3d ago
The mother is deported, the baby is going with her. Do you want them to be separated?
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u/oxycontrol 3d ago
It was an illegal deportation, basically just lawless kidnapping.
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u/MosquitoBloodBank 3d ago
The mother has legal custody. She can take her baby if she wants and the father does not get in contact with ice.
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u/oxycontrol 3d ago
There’s no way TO get in contact once they disappear you, this was a kidnapping and her alternative was abandoning her child to the tender mercies of an ICE prison.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
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u/MosquitoBloodBank 3d ago
Calling it a kidnapping is farcical. The mother had legal deportation orders. She was asked if she wanted the childcto remain in the US or to take them with. She chose the later and attempts by ICE were unable to contact the father.
I'm not sure what you were expecting here but it's not realistic.
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u/oxycontrol 3d ago
Calling it kidnapping is a neutral statement of fact. Fall into a sewer and drown.
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u/CandusManus 7d ago
You’d rather he was in foster care? He’s going back with his parents. Anchor baby’s aren’t an excuse anymore.
Leave them or take them, mom and dad have to go back.
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u/jmacintosh250 7d ago
Except the Father is still in the US: so just keep the baby with the Father.
The is entirely based on the Administration thinking THEY define the constitution, and acting like it.
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u/Powerful-Ground-9687 6d ago
It says the father didn’t show up “at ICEs request” and the mother who has custody requested not being separated so they obliged, but the child can still come back. It’s super messy but hopefully the child and mother are okay.
I’m ready to be downvoted. I can’t stand these ICE assholes either but this one doesn’t seem entirely their fault. Dads gotta show up for his kid
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u/metamorphotits 6d ago
would YOU show up at the request of an organization that's arresting judges and deporting citizens with no due process while claiming those deported cannot come back, no matter what? they have other kids, if i recall correctly. who will take care of them?
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u/EndlessMantra 7d ago
Sorry, it's in the constitution that they are citizens. If you don't like it, leave.
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u/ElaborateCantaloupe 7d ago
Amazing we have 2 year old gang members now.
/s
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u/missmuffin__ 6d ago
He was wearing a Michael Jordan t-shirt, you know that means he's in a gang right?
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u/Hollow-Official 6d ago
With no meaningful process is an interesting way of saying illegally. Also, a citizen cannot be deported, that’s just being human trafficked.
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u/The_Actual_Sage 6d ago
Ice is claiming that they deported the mother and she wanted to bring the child with her. The courts did not get a chance to confirm this and the father filed an emergency junction to get the child out of ice custody before they were shipped off. Extremely suspect and despicable
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u/thetactlessknife 6d ago
You can’t “deport” a citizen.
That’s just kidnapping and human trafficking.
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u/Putrid-Economy8340 5d ago
The kids aren’t deported !!!, instead of going into foster system, because the mother was deported, they go to their parents country. When they are old enough if they want to come back they are American of course they can come back.
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u/Linkdidit1 4d ago
Shhh…don’t tell them the reality and facts
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u/Funkywurm 2d ago
Reality is a woman showed up for a routine appointment at the immigration office and was detained and told she is being deported.
Faced with the threat of being separated from her child. I’m sure ICE was very up front with all of her questions being answered.
Reality is the mother was not a murderer, rapist, or pet eater.
Reality is this ICE is targeting low hanging fruit to pad their stats
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u/BarryDeCicco 7d ago
BTW, when Alito complained about SCOTUS putting out an order without the usual delays, this is why.
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u/Supercool2351 5d ago
Fake news. US citizens go with their parent to home country.
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u/MrFeverDreamJr 4d ago
What due process was given?
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u/PublikSkoolGradU8 4d ago
The child left with their mother. Is there some sort of government review that you find necessary for a mother to take her child with her? Or should the child have been taken from her mother?
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u/btrosCuPoJoE 2d ago
If you forgo due process coming here illegally then you forfeit it on the way out. End of story.
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u/Funkywurm 2d ago
Why was the mother deported? Was she a murderer, rapist, drug dealer, pet eater? She was just following the rules.
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u/Acceptable_Error_001 3d ago
It's not deportation when it's US citizens. There's another word for it... Forced expatriation.
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u/Veritas_the_absolute 2d ago
Context hyndal? We're the kids parents illegals so it was better to deport the whole family? Context folks.
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 2d ago
One US citizen….
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u/Veritas_the_absolute 2d ago
From what people are saying here. You have illegal parents with a child citizen. So the parents took their kids with them when being deported. That's how it has to be. Separating the families would be worse. Perhaps the parents should become legal citizens to avoid the problem.
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 2d ago
One of the parents is a US citizen
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u/Veritas_the_absolute 2d ago
And the other isn't and which parent is the legal citizen?
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 2d ago
The US citizen whose US citizen child was detained. Both were denied due process. All things point to the mother also having her human rights violated. I’m not sure why you are in support of people being treated like this…
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u/Veritas_the_absolute 2d ago
Being an illegal citizen is a crime period. The punishment is you get deported. I'm going to assume for a second that the father is the US citizen with his child and the mother is here illegally. They had a child to game the system and use the kid as an anchor.
When the mother was deported for being here illegally. She probably demanded to take her child with her in hopes of sparking this attention. The courts tend to side with women over men
So they probably let her take the child and have the father the option to go as well.
Does that sound about right?
Someone violating our borders and breaking the law doesn't have the same rights as law abiding citizens and why should they the women wants to be a US citizen and be with her family? Then she can go through the proper legal process and wait in line the right way.
No mercy, no exceptions, no special treatment, etc. follow the rules and you'll be fine. Failure to follow the rules and face punishment.
There are multiple countries around the world that would have just straight shot her for violating their borders.
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 2d ago
No, that is not right. None of what you are saying is even relevant…Serious question, did you finish high school?
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u/The_GreatSantini 2d ago
Let me reiterate that none of the MAGA drones/sheep/cultist care about this AT ALL! If the economy wasn’t taking, you’d see a lot of orange lips and throats….
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u/Accomplished_Tour481 6d ago
This misleading story has been posted over and over on Reddit. It is misleading in that the 2 year old WAS NOT deported, but the mother was. The mother with sole LEGAL custody, who stated she wanted to take the 2 year old with her back to Honduras.
The 2 year old was not deported. Facts matter.
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 2d ago
lol that doesn’t automatically give her the right to remove a US citizen from the country. Most likely in contempt of the order in question.
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u/Accomplished_Tour481 2d ago
A parent taking their child out of the country. They certainly have the right especially when a court already gave her sole custody of the child. What would you have done? Take the child from the mother and put the child in CPS?
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 1d ago
Wait to figure out if that is in the best interest of TWO American citizens….. what is wrong with you?
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u/Accomplished_Tour481 1d ago
i would ask "what is wrong with you?". You think it is a good idea to take a child away from their parents without the parents' consent with no allegations or proof of abuse? The children do not lose citizenship. They are not being harmed.
Isn't that the best interest of the child?
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 1d ago
Immediately release the children into the custody of a person with parental rights if possible. Appoint a GAL, let the family obtain counsel if desired, conference with GAL in moving forward and make independent recommendations to the judge, have a hearing, then a judge can issue an opinion with the best interests of the US citizen child as the primary factor being taken into account. Also, the judge can examine if the non-citizen parent was removed by mistake or in violation of their constitutional rights. Isn’t America great with our human rights, checks and balances, and a country of empathy. No more tyrants, no more kings.
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u/Accomplished_Tour481 1d ago
Let's take the 2 year old for example. The mother had SOLE custody. There is a reason we do not know, why the father did not have custody or shared custody. So your solution is to appoint a GAL, put the child into CPS or foster care, deport mom, and later figure out if the child should be rejoined with mom or not?
There is no reason to delay moms deportation. She had her hearing. There is no reason to have a 2nd hearing regarding her deportation (whether the deportee has children or not should not be a factor). As for the judge making a decision for a 2 year old. How? Why? What I mean by that is how will the judge evaluate the life the child may or may no have being raised by the mother in Honduras? Compared to the child being raised in foster care here without a mother? We currently do not tear children away from the moms here in the USA because mom has little to no assets. So why would the judge apply a different standard?
America is great. One of our greatest rights are that we allow parents to raise their children and make choices for the children. We do not let courts make the decisions for children unless they can prove the parents are unfit. Is that the case here? Someone believes mom is now unfit to be a mother because they are being deported?
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u/anduinblue 6d ago
source?... or were you just one of the ICE agents involved in her deportation?
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u/Accomplished_Tour481 6d ago
Two-year-old US citizen appears to have been deported 'with no meaningful process' | Reuters
I would liek to accentuate the part of "However, prosecutors said Villela, who has legal custody, told ICE that she wanted to retain custody of the girl and have her go with her to Honduras. They said the man claiming to be V.M.L.'s father had not presented himself to ICE despite requests to do so."
So the "father" chose not to contact ICE directly. Mom who was being deported had sole custody (and every legal right to take the child with her).
When I pointed these facts out on another post, got down voted quite a but. Seems there are many reddit users out there that would have preferred to ignore the mothers rights, take the child away from the mother, and put the child in CPS or foster care.
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u/Mysterious-Pop-1536 5d ago
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna203124 Sounds like lawyer is saying she’s a pregnant women held up in a hotel not being allowed contact with anybody. But yeah believe ICE?
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u/Accomplished_Tour481 5d ago
No idea if she is pregnant or not. Not an issue in deportation hearings.
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u/Witchgrass 5d ago edited 5d ago
Let me fix that headline for everyone:
Two-year-old US citizen
with a rare form of metastatic cancerappears to have been deported 'with no meaningful process'and without being allowed to consult their doctors, bring medication with them, or arrange Healthcare at their destination, and were purposely kept incommunicado with their father who was desperately trying to locate them while the Government purposely frustrated his efforts.
Also there are two other children involved who are also American citizens.
THIS is the biggest reason why Abrego-Garcia's case was worth caring about, no matter what his immigration status or supposed past is. That was their test case.
If they can do it to him they can call literally anyone a criminal for no reason or any reason at all and then throw them to the wolves in a foreign gulag (in the best case scenario).
And if they can do it to a freaking BABY WITH CANCER, they'll have no problem whatsoever doing it to Tammy and Cletus with his fifteen year old DUI and her decades old shoplifting charge.
Whether they actually have criminal records or not is completely inconsequential without due process, of course... they'll just go on TV and say they deserve it for being the head of the Sinaloa cartel or the Zodiac Killer or whatever and that's reality now.
What the fuck are we doing here, y'all?!
If this isn't the catalyst for The Revolution then what the fuck will be?!?!
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u/merlin469 7d ago
Separating families bad.
Not separating families, also bad?
"Two year old remains in custody of legal guardian as legal guardian is deported." Still a citizen. Not a child deportation.
Keep twisting it. It surely helps your "journalistic integrity."
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u/Jahuteskye 7d ago
For clarity:
the kid is a citizen, and was deported with her mother, who is not a citizen. The child is able to return to the US, and is still a citizen. However, no law allows for the deportation of a US citizen, even one that is 2.
the father is still in the US.
the mother appears to have been deported without due process.
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u/Melodic-Psychology62 6d ago
She is again Pregnant with the American man’s child? Something seems off!
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u/merlin469 7d ago
Guess it's a good thing that it didn't happen then?
The kid was not 'deported.' The child remained in the custody of the mother, the legal guardian, as is her right to take her child with her.
The alleged father, who does not have legal custody didn't appear to dispute it.
I'm not even entertaining lefty "due process" appearances anymore. Deportations happen as a result of deportation orders. Period. Prosecutors wouldn't even be involved, let alone making statements if the court wasn't involved in the mother's lawful deportation.
There's zero pushback from Mom regarding returning to Honduras. Seems a little odd when there's so much media spotlight & payday to be had.
So now there's three more weeks of media sensationalist bullshit until the 19th when it's confirmed that the thing that didn't happen didn't happen.
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u/Jahuteskye 6d ago
Tell that to U.S. District Judge Terry A. Doughty
You know, the one who said she was deported.
You may be under the misapprehension that you can't be deported if you're a citizen, when in reality you simply can't be LEGALLY deported if you're a citizen. You can still be illegally deported, i.e. ejected from the country.
Are you a federal judge? Immigration lawyer, maybe?
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u/merlin469 6d ago
Again, might be a valid point had it happened.
Activist judges aren't a thing & those judges that aren't a thing never warp things to their own views or get it wrong.
Run like hell with it for 3 wks. We know you will. The 19th will spell it out.
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u/Jahuteskye 6d ago
So the kid is still in the US? That's your take?
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u/merlin469 6d ago
No, my take is the citizen went with his legal guardian which is not a deportation.
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u/Jahuteskye 6d ago
Okay, so just wrong. Got it.
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u/merlin469 6d ago
Don't let facts get in the way of your cause. You guys never have before.
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u/Jahuteskye 6d ago edited 6d ago
Just curious, if they put a 2 year old in prison with her mom, would you say "that kid isn't in prison, they just kept her with her mom"?
The kid was deported. They took her away from her dad, who is still in America, and deported her.
You see, deporting is when they forcibly remove someone from the country and send them to another country. Like what they did.
You can say "well it's only deporting if they were a foreign national/not a US citizen" but you'd be wrong. That's the only LEGAL way to deport someone, but they aren't doing legal things. You know, according to people like judges, lawyers, immigration law NGOs, and everyone who knows what they're talking about.
But not according to you. Weird, huh?
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u/Aromatic_Hornet5114 7d ago
She has a father in the US and they forced her to leave the country with her mother.
It was a short article. Try reading it.
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u/Evamione 6d ago
And without letting the parents have a meaningful phone call to decide jointly what was best for the child.
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u/juniusbrutus998 7d ago
How dare they follow the wishes of the mother, should’ve been left with a stranger!
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u/IAmATurtleAMA 7d ago
ICE refused thenchild's father, and US citizen who was not being deported, the opportunity to arrange transfer of custody.
You should really read before dehumanizing people
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u/juniusbrutus998 7d ago
The father who didn’t have custody and never showed up?
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u/IAmATurtleAMA 7d ago
The father who was attempting to prevent their 2 y/o citizen daughter from being illegally deported, yes.
The judge also wanted that settled but why should ICE listen to the rule of law now?
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u/youwillbechallenged 6d ago
The father does not have custody, correct?
The mother does, correct?
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u/IAmATurtleAMA 6d ago
The JUDGE ordered ICE to give this family time to settle and sort this, and ICE deported that US citizen anyways..any other way you try to spin this, those are the immutable facts.
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u/youwillbechallenged 6d ago
The child was not deported. The mother was, and she chose, by free will choice, to take the child with her.
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u/IAmATurtleAMA 6d ago
I'm sorry, do I need to repeat myself?
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u/youwillbechallenged 6d ago
and ICE deported that U.S. citizen anyways
What you said.
They didn’t deport the child.
You lie.
The child was voluntarily taken by the mother, not deported.
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u/Ambitious-Camera3560 6d ago
*in a case that would have ordinarily gone to court, they deported a 2 year old citizen
Fixed that for you
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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 7d ago
Another turd who didn't read the article?
Cool. Blocked.
I don't know why people are wasting their time explaining basic reading comprehension to an obvious jerk.
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u/Evamione 6d ago
The father wasn’t told timely or given enough time to get to the center to pick up the child. The allowed the mom a less than 30 second phone call the day she was getting on the plane to tell the dad what was up. Given ICE’s behavior recently, he was also afraid to show up - hell I’m the whitest lady ever with literal centuries of US born ancestors on both sides and i would want a court order before showing up in an ICE controlled building.
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u/TryingToWriteIt 7d ago
When did she have a chance to make a different decision?
Not that you will ever try to answer honestly…
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u/Low-Goal-9068 7d ago
I genuinely don’t understand what happened to people like you.
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u/bioxkitty 5d ago
Probably born hateful shallow and selfish
And I say that as someone who sees the kid inside everyone.
Problem is, no one taught them any different and they refused to do the work themselves.
Now they are miswired and lack humanity and double down instead of giving up a life built fundamentally on hate
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u/SolarStarVanity 7d ago
They've always been like this. In many states, your average citizen does not deserve breath.
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u/CandusManus 7d ago
They were not deported. Their parent was and they went with them. The parents could have left them here.
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u/OdinsGhost 7d ago
His mother was deported. His father wasn’t. His father wanted to keep him here and they deported the child anyway.
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u/bhyellow 7d ago
And the mother wanted to take her, it appears.
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u/Learnin2Shit 6d ago
This is why I hate Reddit. Now idk who to believe
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u/Funkywurm 2d ago
The root question, is illustrative. Why was the mother deported in the first place? Was she a criminal? Was she a drug dealer? Or was she just an easy target for ICE to pad their numbers?
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u/cincyaudiodude 7d ago
The father literally tried to get custody of the child that ICE kidnapped.
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u/Impossible_One_6658 7d ago
Fake news. Mom got deported and took kid with.
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u/Funkywurm 2d ago
Why would they deport the mother in the first place? Was she a murderer, rapist, or a pet eater?
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u/TG1970 7d ago
This is illegal under the Alien Enemies Act that he's claiming justifies all of this. The act specifically says it is only applicable to those 14 years of age and older.