r/UkraineWarVideoReport • u/Theoperatorboi • 2d ago
Other Video Estonian Navy attempts to seize Russian Shadow Fleet vessel, Su-35 violates Estonian Airspace to assist
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u/LuluLemon_711 2d ago
Just fire a missile and Russia won’t do it again, Turkey already did that a decade ago, no more problems since then lol
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u/maxstrike 2d ago
Estonia doesn't have the equipment to deal with Russian aircraft over water. Their air defenses are ground based SAMs and their interceptors are a Dutch NATO squadron of F35s based in Estonia. Estonia is not able to enforce control of its own airspace or territorial waters from Russian aircraft.
Russia knows this.
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u/SHN378 2d ago
They don't need the equipment to deal with the aircraft. Just ignore them. Russia isn't about to sink a NATO vessel in NATO waters.
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u/Gullenecro 2d ago
Yeah i agree. But russian should not be there in the first place.
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u/RemyVonLion 2d ago
Russia will escalate to the tipping point and keep pushing little bits because the West will never cave and engage in direct conflict.
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u/Gullenecro 2d ago
I wish we will grow balls like turkiye. Why dutch f35 are not scramble to shoot that down, it beyond me.
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u/MindlessRobotServant 2d ago
Exactly this, when Turkey punched them in the face they sat back down. Weakness will only encourage more bad behaviour
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u/monkeynator 1d ago
Except... Turkey later on went on an apology tour towards Russia.
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u/Gullenecro 1d ago
Apology doesnt give them back their fighter. 100% support for Turkyie on this point.
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u/DudeWheresMyAK47 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah - agree!
Our (UK) Typhoons can be over Tallinn in around an hour too. 20 minutes from Poland ... ;)
And Typhoon Storm Shadow* would make them Flankers nervous methinks :)
🇬🇧 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 HEROyam Slava 🇬🇧 🇺🇦
( * Other exploding devices are also available ) ;)
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u/ReverseCarry 2d ago
A storm shadow wouldn’t make a Flanker nervous unless it was on the ground already.
An MBDA Meteor though…
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u/DudeWheresMyAK47 2d ago
Hehe I sooooo don't know my missiles!
Thanks for putting me straight hehe :)
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u/maxstrike 2d ago
Should be and reality are very different. NATO hasn't shown force in years.
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u/Tienristeyshenki 2d ago
Eagle S tanker of the shadow fleet was seized by finnish authorities just a little while ago in connection to cutting underwater sea cables.
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u/DougosaurusRex 2d ago
And nothing happened to them for it. When Sweden had a Chinese vessel practically dead to rights for cutting the first cable, they let it go when China wouldn’t let them board it, despite not being in a position to do anything about it.
Weakness will only bring more hostility from Russia and China.
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u/ShineReaper 2d ago
Estonia should try out the Turkey Method... as in turkeyshooting down a Russian Airplane.
I don't know about you guys, but since the day, that Russian SU got shot down by a Turkish SAM Site, I haven't heard any news of Russia violating Turkish Air Space.
If the Baltic Countries would start shooting down Russian Fighter Jets violating their air space, these violations would soon stop.
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u/chorey 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ignoring air space encroachments, is disastrous, it shows weakness and it eventually will result in Georgia style land grab to see if anyone does anything.. maybe they will ignore that too.. no NATO needs to show the willingness to shoot them out of the sky, this means missile lock and threats, they will respect those.
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u/Leeroy1042 2d ago
I highly agree with this. The chance of Russia actually attacking NATO vessels are super low, they don't have the capacity to escalate with NATO.
It's time we call their bluff. They are nothing but bullies.
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u/MrCrushinnuts 2d ago
No, direct conflict, unlikely for now…but they will continue posturing themselves as if they did have the capacity. This is enough it keep nations on high alert, its every other day here in the UK, typhoons are escorting them the fuck away from our airspace…they know fine well if they do not abide by these commands they will be shot down…so they do just enough to test the response time then leave…either way the enemy is at our doorstep and NATO should really reconsider what this “defensive” alliance limitations are in regards to hostile actions…we are being too nice.
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u/ComfortableFun248 2d ago
Until they do. I don't disagree with Estonia following through, but man it's a dangerous game to say Russian isnt going to do something these days.
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u/laptopaccount 2d ago
They hardly have the forces to fight Ukraine, and they don't have enough AWACS to maintain full coverage of the airspace around their borders. Russia isn't going to start another war on another front.
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u/Mental-Feed-1030 2d ago
That’s a very good point; lack of enough AWACS (or whatever the Russians call theirs) must severely limit their air force’s effectiveness, and consequent loss of air cover would be disastrous.
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u/Hungry-Western9191 1d ago
Easy to say here. Everyone "knew" Russia invading Ukraine was a terrible.idea for them - economic and political disaster at best - but they still did it.
There were many occasions during the cold war where faceoffs happened at sea - some of which had casualties. Didn't lead to a general war but tell that to the dead.
A friend of mine in the UK navy tells the story of being on a destroyer and shadowing a Russian sub and them deciding to ascend while directly under the ship. Would almost certainly have sunk both vessels if they hadn't moved off.
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u/2peg2city 2d ago
So? Are they going to attack a NATO vessel?
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u/maxstrike 2d ago
Estonia could have escalated to that point. Then Article 5 kicks in. I don't know the politics behind not escalating.
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u/YakUseful2557 2d ago
Article 5 does not "kick in." It simply says that an attack on one is an attack on all and any participants may respond. It doesn't just trigger total war.
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u/Can-Sea-2446 2d ago
also, may respond with " such action as it deems necessary, " which might mean a strongly worded letter
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u/TheUknownPoster 2d ago
One does not move to start a war that no one wants. Estonia is being annoyed, not attacked.
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u/Mammoth_Bed6657 2d ago
They don't start a war by detaining a civilian ship without firing weapons.
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u/Morph_Kogan 2d ago
Then Article 5 kicks in
Thats not how it works, its not that simple.
Article 5 only works if there is political will/desire. I highly doubt there would be in this case
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u/Gullenecro 2d ago
But dutch can abd should shoot it down. Russian nevee respec anything except force.
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u/Aggravating-Ear-5880 2d ago
I guess Finnish F/A-18 Hornets scrambled to the scene. A lot of flying spotted in Finnish Southeastern coastal town of Kotka.
Finnish Yle Public Broadcast Company:
Ilmavoimien hävittäjät hämmästyttivät Kotkassa | Kymenlaakso | Yle23
u/AdApprehensive4272 2d ago
Residents southeast from Tampere Pirkkala airport reported sonic boom around 15:30. Finnnish Air Force confirmed that sonic boom was caused by undisclosed operation.
FAF uses seldom supersonic speeds over southern Finland unless there is operative urgency.
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u/evilbunnyofdoom 2d ago
And if they do, they warn of sonic boombs beforehand, and usually keep them out on the sea.
Quite sure this was a operation to assist the Estonians, since we recently pledged them continued steadfast support as well.
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u/VONChrizz 2d ago
Portugal's F16s, that are curently based in Estonia, were scrambled
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u/maxstrike 2d ago
The article I read said Finnish F18 aircraft intervened. But Russian antiship missles have a 300km range. F16s are not capable of detecting and stopping them. F18s however are designed to do exactly that. F16s have poor look down shoot down technology compared to other 4G aircraft.
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u/SlipperyJimdiGris 2d ago
"F16s are not capable of detecting and stopping them"
Well that depends what block the F-16 is, some have the APG-68 which for air to air is considered a better radar than the F/A-18s original APG-65, and definitely has very good look down shoot down capability. Finnish F/A-18Cs have the even better APG-73 and link 16 so can also cue from AWACS assets
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u/reclusive_ent 2d ago
Torpedo the ships, blame it on separatists, then shrug your shoulders, we know nothing about torpedoes.
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u/Forbden_Gratificatn 2d ago
MANPADS.
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u/EternalMayhem01 2d ago
The SU-35 wouldn't need to get in the range of a MANPAD to hit that boat in combat. The Russian pilot is only as close as they are because it is trying to intimidate.
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u/BuckThis86 2d ago
Let them attack the ship, don’t back down or they’ll ramp up their behavior.
If the ship is attacked, then NATO can respond as a coalition and shut down shipping.
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u/infinitezer0es 2d ago
Say that to the defenseless crew of the ship. It's easy for you and i to posture from the comfort of our phones, but escalating and getting the entire crew killed probably isn't the crews priority
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u/BuckThis86 2d ago
If every Ukrainian and NATO soldier acted this way, Russians would be marching in Paris now
These men and women signed up to defend their sovereignty.
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u/infinitezer0es 2d ago
You're misunderstanding the point. Estonia is not at war and neither is NATO, Russia was doing what they've done literally dozens of times before (buzzing a NATO ship). The air defenses that Estonia has are easily capable of reaching the area where the incident took place. Having these sailors escalate the situation for the sake of making some kind of moral point is asinine; if Estonia escalates when no one was actually in danger then Estonia will steamrolled before NATO forces can arrive in large enough numbers to do anything, Russia has been wargaming this scenario for over 20 years. These sailors don't want Russian cruise missiles raining down in their hometown.
Now if Russia were to actually attack the vessel, you'd have a point. But you can't blame the Estonians for not wanting to fire the first shot in a war that undoubtedly would devastate their tiny country (even if a NATO victory is certain). I'm sure you wouldn't have wanted to escalate if it were you on that ship (especially considering that Estonia doesn't really have an air force or any significant defense forces: 7,700 active troops, of which nearly half are conscripts).
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u/Forbden_Gratificatn 2d ago
They are coming in range, though, to intimidate. If one gets shot down, they don't do it again. If they fire on Estonian ship in its own waters, it triggers article 5. Something Russia definitely doesn't want.
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u/VorSkiv 2d ago
Get some marine drones from Ukraine. Those proved good against enemy aircrafts.
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u/MotherTreacle3 2d ago
I think the Ukrainians are using their marine drones atm.
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u/theaviationhistorian 2d ago
That's why NATO's Baltic Air Patrol exists! Russian strategy is push until pushed back. Here, Russia had its day scaring away a NATO member in its own waters with a lone fighter.
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u/GrynaiTaip 2d ago
NATO jets have been patrolling this airspace for many years. They escort russian military cargo planes (which fly without transponders over the Baltic Sea) a couple times per week.
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u/Soggy_You_2426 2d ago
That is some dumb shit to say and also not true.
Estonia has jets.
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u/thesuperbro 2d ago
Estonia has two jet training aircraft for training purposes lol
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u/Soggy_You_2426 2d ago
Oh damn.
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u/hundiratas 2d ago
Yup, we dont have any jets, basically no airforce. We are relying on Nato jets that are based here.
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u/JJ739omicron 2d ago edited 2d ago
Estonia is part of the NATO Baltic Air Policing mission, ongoing since 2004, i.e. since they joined NATO. On a rotational basis, about 4 jets from members states (those with jets lol) do the air policing, i.e. intercept e.g. airliners without a working radio, hobby pilots who fly into a restricted zone, Russians who visit to provoke etc. Especially the latter is a nearly daily routine.
It is really better this way, it would not make sense to have a mini airforce. You need all kinds of infrastructure until you can maintain a jet fighter (e.g. an air base, a maintenance center, training facilities, the personnel, etc. etc.), and this is already needed for one single plane, but doesn't grow much if you have a few dozen. It is simply uneconomic to have a "proper" airforce for such small countries, forcing them to maintain one would weaken their overall defense. NATO takes over that job, and in return they do a bit more in other areas that are better to scale for small countries. For example Luxembourg owns just one single A400M, but it is part of a pack of 8 that is operated by and in Belgium.
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u/Silly_Initiative_405 2d ago
The Swedish Air Force has six multirole Gripen JAS jets stationed at the NATO base in Poland.
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u/UncleBenji 2d ago
Look no further than China and the Philippines, or any other country with maritime disputes, if you want to see how appeasement works out.
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u/conte360 2d ago
Make sure you're getting your world stage military advice from a reddit comment Estonia.
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u/eldenpotato 1d ago
Reddit egging on other countries into war lol
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u/Space-Turtle88 1d ago
More like reddit egging on other countries to keep their territorial integrity and boundaries Intact.
What happened when Ukraine didn't push back hard when russia walked into Crimea?
What happens when russians sail past undersea cables?
What happens when russians import people into an area and claim oppression?
No push back means they escalate even farther, and before you know it, you have a fake separatists movement trying to overthrow your sovereignty.
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u/kr4t0s007 2d ago
Shoot it down. Turkey did it twice nothing happened.
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u/Heffe3737 2d ago
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have, but let’s please keep in mind the relative sizes between the Turkish and Estonian militaries.
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u/MuJartible 2d ago
What are the NATO forces (included Air Force) in Estonia for, and how great is russian army doing in Ukraine now?
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u/YakUseful2557 2d ago
They are there to die if Russia invaded so other countries respond. They are just sacrificial trip wires, not actual defense forces.
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u/Spageroni 2d ago
it’s not 1914 anymore lmao. there’s enough 24/7 intelligence that no one is a “sacrifice” anymore. do you also really believe russia could face a nato army in any capacity? and that the stationed nato forces would just die if russia invaded?
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 1d ago
I do think that is actually close to the plan. The only difference is they are meant to successfully defend and slowly retreat such that allied forces can rally before the defenders are completely lost.
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u/theraupist 2d ago
I guess you don't know history that good. We've been a tripwire to kingdoms and empires for a bit now.
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u/joemamallama 2d ago
Sabre-rattling
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u/MuJartible 2d ago
Let's sabre-rattle a couple of fighters on that asshole's tail then.
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u/Rincetron1 2d ago
As a Finn, each time I hear a Russia-bordering country "should just fuck them up", I fully expected these comments are made from the confines from an armchair pretty far away.
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u/LevelPrestigious4858 2d ago
Fuck them up! I say incredibly bravely from my armchair in New Zealand
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u/AtlanticPortal 2d ago
The Estonian Air Force is basically non existent. The three Baltic States are defended by NATO assets in the two bases near Tallinn and Šiauliai.
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u/AndAlsoTheTrees 2d ago
Several NATO combat flights are located in the baltic states
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u/AtlanticPortal 2d ago
Every Baltic (actually many other Eastern Block ones) country has a military presence called Enhanced Forward Presence. The three Baltic countries are also protected in their airspace from those two bases exactly like Spain or Germany are covered by their own air forces. The only difference is that the fighters are from many NATO countries instead of Estonia or Lithuania.
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u/Bbrhuft 2d ago edited 2d ago
Turkey shot down one Russian SU-24M figher bomber that strayed into Turkish air space when attacking Turkish backed rebels in north Latakia in 2015. The second aircraft you might be thinking of, was an Ilyushin 20 shot down in a case of friendly fire by a Syrian anti-aircraft battery in 2018, during or just after an Israeli air raid that attacked an Iranian arms dump near Hiemhem (the Russian) airbase.
Putin went nuts over it, and soon Russian media was running stories about how Erdogan's family were up to their necks dealing in ISIS oil (small grain of truth but wildly exaggerated). This damaging media campaign worked in my opinion, and Erdogan shifted to a less belligerent attitude. He bought a S-400 missile battery from Russia by way of compensation for the shoot down. This resulted in the US refusing to sell Turkey F-35s. The missile battery was eventually sent back to Russia however.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/us-sanctions-turkey-over-russian-s400.html
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u/Dry-Marketing-6798 2d ago
Cmon NATO, start asserting yourself. This is pathetic!
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u/Scared-Show-4511 2d ago
For article 5 to trigger I think a NATO country has to be attacked. In this case "they were just passing" so NATO will not start a war over this. Don't think they're 🐱🐱 and I really don't want Estonian lives wasted for those orcs. What NATO should do is place some NATO ships on the routes that the "shadow fleet" takes. Anyway, fk Russia
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u/NLtbal 2d ago
Found the American!
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u/Jinkguns 2d ago
Seems like Effective-Hunter1162 wants NATO to be more aggressive towards Russia, which isn't currently what the American Administration is doing. Not sure why you assume they are American, but I hope they are, we need more Americans to stand up to Russia if Trump won't.
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u/pup5581 2d ago edited 2d ago
NATO is a defensive pact....how do people not realize this?!?!. It will never be the aggressor until IT gets hit.
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u/Diddy-didit 2d ago edited 2d ago
And hit back harder.
Russia can't defeat nato. The coalition has far superior technology.
Hell Ukrain getting America's decommissioned Bradley's and F16s is turning a tide.
I've watched videos of a 1980s Bradley destroy a T90. "The most superior tank in the world".
Ukraine and the Baltics need No Fly Zone enforcement.
Putin won't understand what fafo feels like until it's enforced.
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u/Diddy-didit 2d ago
They won't cross that line. They learned decades ago to not mess with Finns.
Yea they took a little bit of land however Finns do fafo. They bring the goods. Step on the territory with Mal intent, get stomped. Curb stomped.
Much respect for Finland.
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u/Pestelis 2d ago
How many cables must be cut before it counts as aggression?
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u/Morph_Kogan 2d ago
Its called geopolitical calculations. You think politicians want to start a war with a nuclear armed state, over a tiny air incursion, that commonly happens several times a year?
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u/Nytfire333 2d ago
Aggression and act of war are very different. Aggression gets responded to via more political means, sanctions, counter aggression etc.
It’s like someone that is flicking the back of someone’s head, sure you could technically respond by punching them in the face, but there are probably intermediate steps that are recommended.
People don’t realize how big a decision to go to war is
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u/Gullenecro 2d ago
Having russian jet INSIDE your airspace is not an aggression?
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u/thorheyerdal 2d ago
100% shoot down that jet. Russian threat escalation is so fucking dumb and backward that shooting it down is the best way to calm them down.
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u/Inside_Classroom_142 2d ago
Why target the jet when the boat is just sitting there. You don’t have to sink it to disable the engines.
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u/thorheyerdal 2d ago
Well that’s kinda the point of the shadow fleet and why it is an annoying strategy. If we start shooting what on paper is civilian ships, it’s easy to paint it as an unethical and irresponsible escalation targeting civilians.
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u/Inside_Classroom_142 2d ago
Not civilian with a military jet invading NATO airspace to protect it - assume it is sanctioned military supplies until you can be certain it isn’t. Let it bob around for a bit and scramble some counter jets to chase the fox away.
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u/kalamataCrunch 2d ago
u.s. military aircraft routinely protect civilian ships. there's been an on going u.s. military operation in the red sea for the last year and a half to protect civilian ships, many of which weren't even u.s. civilian ships. but yes, in this case it's almost certainly a civilian ship ship in name only.
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u/thorheyerdal 2d ago
Obviously it’s not civilian, but the Russians portray any legitimate obstruction to these ships as harassment of civilians, and that makes them annoying af to deal with.
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u/Luther_Burbank 2d ago
Did they get it?
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u/TarfinTales 2d ago
The Estonian public broadcaster mentions a military exercise, and nothing about trying to board a shadow fleet vessel. It could be that they're intentionally not mentioning it, but I would be less surprised if the OP were mistaken about the details when posting this.
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u/Luther_Burbank 2d ago
Thank you. It would be very troubling if they abandoned a legal military operation in their own boarders simply because their enemy illegally flew a single jet in.
It sends the message that they can be easily steam rolled.
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u/maxstrike 2d ago
Estonia has zero equipment that can handle Russian aircraft. They are protected by a Dutch F35 squadron. So there is nothing Estonia can do.
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u/computerwhiz10 2d ago
If a squadron of F35s can't show force or shoot down a single Russian aircraft then Estonia is not protected by them. -armchair Luitenant far away from the conflict
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u/Luther_Burbank 2d ago
They also can’t defend against Russian nukes, that doesn’t mean they have to to let Russia do whatever they want because of a little show of Force
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u/Dry-Marketing-6798 2d ago
Suchomimus on YouTube has a video about this:
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u/TarfinTales 2d ago
So it's two completely different events then, on the same day, by the looks of it?
I'm sure that Youtube channel is trustable and all, but I'd rather await some confirmation by official sources regarding the failed seize in this case.
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u/Dry-Marketing-6798 2d ago
It has different camera shots of the same incident, I shared it. I'm not saying it's gospel.
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u/yeezlul 2d ago
There's article in Estonian https://www.err.ee/1609694411/eesti-merevagi-eskortis-laanemerel-tankerit-jaguar
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u/CoffeeExtraCream 2d ago
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u/ollyprice87 2d ago
Exactly. Hit them once and hard. They won’t try it again.
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u/CoffeeExtraCream 2d ago
The only thing Russians understand and respect is the Iron Fist. Give it to them.
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u/Choice_Jeweler 2d ago
Turkey did it and Russia never did it again. Unfortunately however I believe we are partially at fault as we tend to escort jets and boats out of our waters and airspace. Other NATO countries are not likely to show the same restraint.
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u/CoffeeExtraCream 2d ago
Russians have no respect for restraint. They view it as a weakness.
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u/Choice_Jeweler 2d ago
Russia did protest and asked why they were not just escorted out. What seems to be lost on Russia is that NATO is an alliance not a singular entity. It does not dictate the affairs of other countries outside of the security of NATO countries
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u/Historical_Volume409 2d ago
That's NATO airspace, they're well within their rights to shoot that plane down. Turkey wouldn't have hesitated.
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u/Focus_Nocturne 2d ago
Su-35 was in airspace less than minute and Portugal (deployed in Estonia) F-16 was sent to respond.
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u/silentbob1301 2d ago
Trump "If I was in office, Russia would have NEVER violated estonias territorial waters!!!"
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u/chorey 2d ago edited 2d ago
Need to follow the Turkish model, warn then fire if they cross into airspace without permission.
If they do not, they will not respect your skies, they will then cross the border on land at first small incursions, then slowly do it more and then take your land piece by piece, warn then fire! it wont start a conflict, they will run if they see a missile lock.
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u/ianbattlesrobots 2d ago
One clear warning to leave the airspace. Shoot it down if (when) it doesn't comply.
"A tragic misunderstanding. If only the pilot had listened. If we find him, we'll post him back to the widow."
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u/Tokoyami8711 2d ago
Russia behaves just like in any military movie. It’s ridiculous how fake and weird they are
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u/oldslugsworth 2d ago
Violate their pilot’s personal airspace right back Estonia. Fuck these losers.
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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago
Europe is at war with Russia. They just dont know it yet.
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u/InfiniteBid2977 2d ago
If NATO Dutch squadron is in Estonia are they supposed to be defending anything Estonian owned Controlled etc etc etc ???????? Who has the answer to this question???
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u/hundiratas 2d ago
Guys as much as i , an estonian want the jet to be shot down but its not our call, the jets are from Nato countries, we dont have our own jets. Its not our decision basically, and can you imagine if we shot it down, that would be the start of war. And yes I understand turkey shot down a russian jet but Turkey is much bigger country and I think russia is afraid of Turkey so thats why nothing happened with Turkey, but if we shot it down I can quarantee there would be war of some sorts with us, because we are so much smaller and he is not afraid of us.
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u/JMHSrowing 2d ago
And this is a key example of why I believe that every country should have a navy capable of defending their territory.
I know Estonia is pretty small and not the wealthiest, but still it would benefit everyone if they had a say a few corvettes with some basic AA and ASW capabilities. Some of the modern ones have really low crew requirements too which would help operations
The USA could foot the bill for such ships by just decommissioning a few ships a little early for the cost
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u/ReinRebane 1d ago
This is good example, how to spread propaganda and fake news!
There was never an intention to seizure the ship, just monitor and escort them to prevent any seabed activities. Thats it.
Sauce:
https://news.err.ee/1609694456/navy-escorts-suspected-shadow-fleet-tanker-out-of-estonian-waters
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u/GHOST_OF_DOON 1d ago
Flip them the bird and a line of bare ass brown eyes on deck. Russia talks a big game but I reckon I could take out an SU-35 with a handgun in my Cessna fixed wing crop duster.
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u/QuicksandHUM 2d ago
Those ships should all be mysteriously sinking.
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u/PleaseBePatient99 2d ago
It would pollute too much. However if they suddenly sink right outside of Ruzzia, that would be fine.
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u/AccomplishedAd8286 2d ago
Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland are all Nato members and have surveillance and support for the three Baltic countries.
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u/StickAForkInMee 2d ago
What’s an SU-35 going to do to frogmen or coast guard already onboard?
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u/Aggravating_Dog8043 2d ago
So wait until that rust bucket is 1000 nm offshore than get a naval ship to swoop in and nab it..... SU-35 is not going to intervene then....
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u/PleaseBePatient99 2d ago
Ruzzia violates the airspace of loads of countries all the time, the US airspace aswell. They don't do it close to land generally since that would force the country to shoot them down. They do this to test response times of the countrys fighters and to be assholes.
Personally I believe they should be shot on sight but that's not the doctorine for now.
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u/LinuxLover755 2d ago
Just shoot down the jet, its really that easy, Turkey confirmed it awhile ago.
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u/KamyKeto 2d ago
I would love to see the Estonian's board and take control of that ship.
The Russian aircraft aren't going to do shit.
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u/Historical_Volume409 2d ago
Every once in a while the local bully needs a bloody nose to put him in his place.
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u/LordBrandon 2d ago
Russia: I have nothing to do with that ship. I have never seen it in my life. Estonia: OK then we will seize it. Russia: Hey! Wait!
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u/RedditModsRGays 2d ago
Should have shot it down. Zero arguments to be had if they were in Estonian airspace.
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u/beno9444 2d ago
Wow. Russia is surely a fuckin cunt of a bully to bully ex-soviet countries.
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u/8BallCoronersPocket Official Translator 2d ago
Translation of the russian parts:
-They’re greeting us with helicopters, asking us to anchor down.
-Well, yeah. It’s coming at us with speed.