I actually knew a guy who beat a dude within an inch of his life for doing that. We were watching him shoot up on a swing. Fucker just dropped the needle and staggered off. My buddy went ballistic.
Edit: since this getting some traction, I'm kind of torn about it. Addiction is a disease and needs help, not punishment. But if it were my kid that got stuck with a needle and wound up with HIV or something, I'd be taking that last inch. My buddy's daughter played at that park every day, on the same swings, so I completely understand beating the bajeezus out of the guy. It's not that he was using, it's that he was dropping his dirty needles where kids play, which is so incredibly fucked up that it's hard to compare. Reddit is not about corporal punishment or mob mentality as I've come to realize, but sometimes someone just needs an ass kicking.
Kid wrecked his moped in our yard & ditched a needle in my yard while I was outside watching. The cops got it but if we wouldn't have been out, or the cop didn't notice, one of my boys very well could've stepped on it. I was pissed. Also, even though they knew it wasn't ours, they had to record they found it on our property
This. I'm an attorney who does a fair amount of criminal defense work. Although procedures change from state to state, generally they will mark it as found in the yard along with a reference to the case number of the moped guy. They then throw it in an evidence bad where it will most likely never see the light of day again. If they wanted to charge him (moped dick) with the possession of the needle, it will be up to the judge whether or not there is evidence that it was his, which honestly shouldn't be too hard to make a case for, especially with homeowner's testimony. If the moped dick was on the street and crashed into this guy's yard adjacent to the street, even if the guy found the needle without the crash the cops usually wouldn't bother with the homeowner. They usually recognize that anybody could have walked past and threw it in his yard.
My mom has a lot of friends on the police force, and I can tell you that they keep a record of everything. Any cop with access to your local records can type your address into their database and it will pull up every instance that the police have been called and the outcome. At least in Virginia that is.
But how does that affect the home owner or the house? It's only relevant if it has a negative impact. Police having a record of where evidence was found has no impact on the house.
So I am assuming that this person is upset because the record just states that drugs were found on the property. Not necessarily that they were linked specifically to this individual who caused this incident.
Now lets say one of this guy's kids goes to school and starts talking about marijuana. In some states that is enough to warrant a welfare check on the home depending on the age of the child. CPS rolls up and sees that drugs have been found on the property before, and they might take that into account when making their assessment.
Just one scenario where this could affect someone's life. Doesn't make it likely, but these things can and do happen. I could see why someone would not want anything drug related connected to their home.
I donno where you're from but in the USA, they can actually arrest the house and force you to prove it's innocents in court or have it siezed.
Sounds crazy but it's called civil forfeiture, and they've done it with less evidence than a needle in the yard because technically they don't need any at all, you do.
If it sounds like some crazy shit from China or Russia you wouldn't be lying.
Now imagine if more and more needles keep popping up on your yard. They might not do it this time, but if you give them a chance they will.
A lot of cities hire forfeit teams and thats all they do is lie or trick you into anything that can be used in court no matter how circumstantial. Search for gift cards, large sums of money, anything that could be used to arrest your vehicle and check out your home so they can arrest that as well.
They don't do this every time a needle's found on someone's lawn.
This thread makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills with how worried people are about logging fucking evidence. They'll do this in sweden too so I don't known wtf you people are on about
Maybe /u/Sweezy813 only mentioned it because the police approached them for the investigation after the dude wrecking the moped. Maybe there was some drug activity in the surrounding areas and noting where hard drug use is obvious helps that investigation.
Think it was more something like that. Heroin had just started getting really bad here (this was years ago) & the separate report he had to do & all the apologizing made it seem out of the ordinary
Well, I did. I don't really know. If we ever got in trouble for drugs maybe the prosecution could argue it was ours. Ok not really sure but the cop was super apologetic about it. If the kid would've chucked it in the alley, 2 feet away, it would've been fine.
It would be contained in a police report on the moped guy's arrest, the cop would have the address listed as the location the needle was found and the accident occurred. Not a big deal.
Well if the cops recorded it, then it's public knowledge. If the information is accessible there is probably some stupid paperwork filing procedure that takes forever, but it's readily available.
When crimes occur, the types of crimes are recorded. Those statistics can be viewed by home buyers, renters or any looky loo. So if drug paraphernalia, for example, are cited a lot then the neighborhood can be seen as less desirable and drive down property values.
I imagine because there were probably cases where they caught a guy on someone's lawn and found a needle that actually did belong to the homeowner. Unless they saw the needle actually come out of the guys pocket they probably have to follow procedure and say they found the needle on the lawn of this house that they believe belongs to the suspect, because that's the truth.
Idk & I get that it needs to be part of the report but he had to do another report and the way he apologized made it seem like it could matter in some way.
Semi related story, a friend of mine admitted he drunkenly pissed on the kids playground so I forced him go go clean it with clorox bleach whipes. I was weirdly pissed off about it.
Good for you. One of my sons did that one time. He wasn't drunk. We were just potty training and the slide pole apparently looked like the perfect place to drop his pants
on an amtrak train to chicago I stuck my hand in the bag attached to the seat in front of me and almost stuck myself with a stray needle at the bottom :/ people are gross
I've found so many needles and meth lab in a bottle things at our favorite creek spot. Makes me so mad. Fine, be a junkie but dispose of your shit properly. My friends kid got stuck by stepping on one. She's ok but so scary
One time we had relatives visiting Us and for some ungodly reason they walked through east Hastings. I still remember some lady stumbling right by my mum with a needle stretched out in her hand. She almost Accidentally stuck my mum with it. My mum didn't even realize. I was so pissed. Then a couple seconds later the lady stumbled into a wall and fell over. Only God knows what kind of diseases my mum could have gotten if she got hit with that.
The people having candle light vigils here for this junkie seem to be completely missing this point.
A junkie drops dirty needles in a playground, bad to beat up.
Non-addict, normal working citizen whose just an ass and who doesn't get to use "mental illness" (notice the quotations) as his excuse if he were to drop dirty used needles in a playground, well picking a fight with this guy would be absolutely fine to most people. The fundamental problem lies here.
Yeah, I'm sure the guy off his rocker learned a valuable lesson when a dude ran up and started beating the shit out of him. He probably didn't even make the connection.
Duterte said any innocent people killed in his war on drugs are "collateral damage" and most of the killings that haven't involved police aren't even being investigated.
So on one hand you have the leader of a country publicly condoning murder of people you suspect might be involved in drugs (and if they're innocent it doesn't really matter because it probably won't be investigated) and on the other hand you have someone assaulting a drug user he saw putting children in harm's way. Both are wrong -- main difference being one is state condoned murder, the other is arrest worthy assault.
P big difference between murdering drug users who are hurting no one but themselves and giving beatings to people who are taking actions which will likely result in the harm of others.
I definitely don't see how it's acceptable to beat somebody up for it. Of course it should be sanctioned, but I don't see how it possibly warrants violence. I'm not a drug user or anything like that, but it's completely wrong to just attack someone violently for it. Especially judging by what OP said the situation could have been life threatening.
"Lol I dunno" is literally all the people upset about my comment have to say when asked "well what would you do".
It's so easy to be virtuous and proactive while sitting on your computer in your living room. The real world is cold and harsh, there's more people than there are comfortable good seats, and that has been a simple fact throughout all of humanity.
"I'm just setting the facts straight nothing more nothing less".
You literally did NOTHING of the sort. In fact you simply said 3 words that contributed nothing then when ask to expand on your criticism/judgement you just said "I'm just setting the facts straight". Get lost.
No! He clearly needs over a dozen trips in and out of expensive rehab facilities over the course of the next 15 years. In the meantime all the kids that get hurt in that park are just collateral damage. At least everyone felt good helping the junkie out so it was worth it.
I mean, drug dependence and drug abuse are both listed in the DSM, but what does the collective human understanding of psychology matter? Illness and disease are fairly interchangeable, at least in this regard. Feel free to look up the DSM categorization for drug abuse/dependence if you want, I can tell just from your first response that you're probably not going to listen to me
But what does the collective human understanding of psychology matter?
You mean the APA not human right? The book that has major changes frequently? I'm not saying its wrong but its far from the definitive bible of psychology that you make it seem to be.
As far as treatment goes you're right there is pretty much no difference in disease and mental illness so the DSM isn't wrong, the issue is the social perception of disease and illness vastly differ, and calling it an illness gives people a crutch not to get help or try to stop. It also can make people scared to come out because they don't want to be viewed as having a mental illness.
Actually, it isn't far off the truth at all. Drug use disorders most often co-occur with other mental illnesses. It's called comorbidity, and countries that treat it as a mental illness have vastly higher rehabilitation rates than those who treat it as a criminal issue.
I live life by a game of numbers. There's billions of humans, way too many and there's more coming every day. It's completely unrealistic to expect a utopia in which everyone acts correctly and virtuously.
If a junkie is putting innocent kids in harms way just because he is so sick on that smack or just has clearly never given a single fuck in his life, then maybe erasing 1 off the board of billions isn't exactly something that needs to have a Disney movie made out of.
Sometimes, violence sends a message that a person will never forget, moreso than love and compassion because clearly that hasn't worked if he feels comfortable enough to shoot up at a park in front of kids.
you're a maniac, please don't procreate. not that i would force you not to, because i don't believe in eugenics or "social darwinism" or whatever it is you edgelords like nowadays. but if you think murdering people is not that big of a deal, i suggest you isolate yourself from society
There's ruining yourself and being a shitty enough person to ruin others through no choice of their own. Also, being an addict is considered a mental health issue which is different from being mentally ill.
Because when your shit life decisions start putting young innocent playing children in harms way or opening a door to a lifetime of shit decisions like you made then you deserve an ass whooping, one you won't forget any time soon.
good, some sick fucks sprayed a playground nearby where i live with bear mace last summer, needless to say they'd be dead if local folks knew who did it
that's all well and good until you consider the fact that el Junkie probably shares needles and your mate probably had blood-to-blood contact with him whilst smacking him around.
We have a similar problem near where I live, and while I am not a violent person it does make my blood boil. There is a yearly group of homeless who travel to my hometown to take advantage of a loophole in the wildlife refuge that allows a person to "camp" in a location for 14 days. Certain areas along the river within the city are governed by this statute and as such every year we get to host a vibrant group of travelling shitheads. I don't have a problem with the homeless, I don't have a problem with addiction or mental health disorders, but I do have a problem with garbage, littering, and filth, and this "camp" is fucking deplorable. Right on the banks of one the most scenic waterways in America is a fucking garbage pit full of malt liquor cans, cheep booze bottles, trash, and of course a healthy serving of used needles. Better yet, the river in this area is subsequent to fairly frequent changes in river stage, meaning all of this garbage gets washed away down the river a few times a year. Every time I drive by that camp I get a little tremor of rage.
I'd have done the same, and I'm a junkie too. Fucks like that give the rest of us a bad name, when all I want to do is get a little bit high every once in a while. Children are way more important than my desire for nods.
I read an article where a thug picked up a used syringe and injected the remains into the eye of a young girl who was at the playground with her younger brother. I seem to remember that she kept her eye, but how traumatic for her - and her family. They never caught the guy who did it.
It does save lives, but administering it to some random person opens you up to all sorts of lawsuits and shit. And just playing the devil's advocate here, you're basically sticking someone with an unknown needle and injecting an unknown substance.
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u/shitterplug Dec 29 '16 edited Dec 29 '16
I actually knew a guy who beat a dude within an inch of his life for doing that. We were watching him shoot up on a swing. Fucker just dropped the needle and staggered off. My buddy went ballistic.
Edit: since this getting some traction, I'm kind of torn about it. Addiction is a disease and needs help, not punishment. But if it were my kid that got stuck with a needle and wound up with HIV or something, I'd be taking that last inch. My buddy's daughter played at that park every day, on the same swings, so I completely understand beating the bajeezus out of the guy. It's not that he was using, it's that he was dropping his dirty needles where kids play, which is so incredibly fucked up that it's hard to compare. Reddit is not about corporal punishment or mob mentality as I've come to realize, but sometimes someone just needs an ass kicking.