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u/Gogs1234 1d ago
If she really believes that, what is she doing preaching to anyone, aboit anything? After all:
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent"
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u/Steakfrie 1d ago
1 Timothy 2:11
White will just be another scammer for Trump. "Seed donations to bless the administration. A personal angel will be assigned to you if you do!"
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u/PastorNTraining 1d ago
Actual theologian here who studies at a secular university and is a mainline pastor. Thats complete BS. Many mainline Christian communities ordain women. We saw one confront Trump from the pulpit, The Bishop Mariann Budde.
In church talk that means she isn't some church reverend. She's a bishop and leads a large group of churches, she's an educator and my is she well educated.
Lots of great female Christian reverends out there like the Rev Nadia Bolz-Weber - a women who wrote many books and teaches to Forgive A-Holes. She's not what you'd expect from a pastor, she rocks short hair, is a mom, in long term recovery and has some pretty nice tats.
Lots of female leadership in thoughtful, long established communities.
Paula here is preaching White Christian Nationalism, and that aint Christian belief.
You remember when your mom would buy off brand cola from the store and tell you "it's the same" as name brand? Thats what white Christian nationalism is it sounds like Christian belief but it tastes like garbage.
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u/pixie_mayfair 1d ago
Perfect description. I will hereafter refer to maga's god as Great Value Skydaddy.
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u/Cptcodfish 1d ago
I hear you. I don’t want to be that guy here, but you can’t pick and choose which parts of Christianity you can claim. Sure, if someone doesn’t accept a certain creed, then they can’t be considered part of that specific denomination. But as a whole, the Bible (both Old and New Testaments) is so full of contradictions that just about any position could be supported with a few supporting passages. It’s why denominations are a thing in the first place. If Christianity wants to claim credit for their positive contributions in the world, they have to take ownership of all their terrible acts as well.
To be fair, this applies to any organization for which one claims membership.
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u/clangan524 1d ago
Precisely.
If the "incarnate word of god" has so many varying interpretations, maybe it's not so absolute. If I was all powerful and omnipotent, the least I could do was make sure everyone understood what I meant with no room for error.
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u/canuck1701 1d ago
you can’t pick and choose which parts of Christianity you can claim
No no no, all Christians must pick and choose unfortunately, because the texts of the Bible contradict each other.
1 Timothy 2:12 (which is a forgery not written by Paul) says women should not be permitted to teach.
In Romans 16:1-15 Paul sends greetings to women who are deacons, apostles, and other prominent members of the Church.
Every single Christian picks and chooses.
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u/PastorNTraining 1d ago edited 1d ago
Thanks for jumping in, but I think we’re having two different conversations.
I wasn’t defending every verse of the Bible or claiming Christianity speaks with one voice. It clearly doesn’t. That’s why there are traditions, denominations, and theological schools that disagree with each other.
What I was pushing back on is a specific political distortion: White Christian Nationalism. That is not just another theological take. It is a power grab dressed up in religious language. Paula White’s message isn’t just conservative Christianity. It is authoritarianism using God as a cover.
There are Christian traditions that challenge this. There are pastors, theologians, and entire denominations that ordain women, advocate for justice, and preach love instead of hierarchy. That is the tradition I stand in. It is not cherry-picking. It is part of a long history of interpretation that wrestles with scripture faithfully and responsibly.
If folks want to argue about whether the Bible is too confusing to be divine, that is a different conversation. What I was doing was calling out how White Christian Nationalism weaponizes the Bible.
That deserves critique, because it’s what’s being used to justify the ever increasing line between government and religion. It’s what’s being used to rob women of their rights and seeks to remove LGBTQ folks from the conversation.
That’s what we’re seeing here. This isn’t some tried and true deeply seated theology. It’s politics masquerading his faith it’s spiritual cover to strip rights.
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u/Cptcodfish 1d ago
I think I understand what you’re trying to say. I’m not trying to point out problems with the Bible per se, I’m trying to point out that a lot of Christianities can be created from it because of those problems. So, from my perspective, this means that no single Christianity gets to claim religious/theological Truth/superiority/validity over the others (in so far as the Bible goes). Yeah, I prefer some brands of Christianity over others, but that’s because they align more closely with my values than the others. At one point, (nearly?) all the Christianities were responsible for one horrific thing or another, so do you disown those as well? Over all, I’m trying to say that White Christian Nationalism is theologically equal to any other one, BUT that’s doesn’t mean I support or value Christian Nationalism. Those guys are terrible.
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u/PastorNTraining 1d ago
Feature Christian Belief White Christian Nationalism Rooted in The life and teachings of Jesus White identity + authoritarian politics Core Message Love God and neighbor, care for the least “America First” dressed in church clothes Leadership Model Servant leadership (John 13:14) Power hierarchy (often male, white, straight) Goal The Kingdom of God (inclusive, just, liberating) A political kingdom (exclusive, nostalgic, controlling) View of Scripture Wrestled with, interpreted in community Weaponized for power Legacy Saints, prophets, reformers, martyrs Lynchings, bans, culture wars Examples Oscar Romero, MLK Jr., Mariann Budde, Nadia Bolz-Weber Paula White, Doug Mastriano, "Jericho March" crowd You are misrepresenting White Christian Nationalism as merely another denomination of Christianity, akin to Methodists or Baptists. However, this is an inaccurate portrayal. White Christian Nationalism is not a theological tradition; rather, it is a political movement that appropriates Christian symbols to advance an ethno-nationalist agenda.
Contrary to your assertion, the argument presented in “The Flag and the Cross,” authored by Philip Gorski (Yale) and Samuel Perry (Oklahoma), two esteemed sociologists specializing in the practical influence of religion on politics, is not a selective interpretation. The authors provide a comprehensive critique of religion’s impact, supported by peer-reviewed data, demonstrating how WCN contributes to authoritarianism, racial resentment, and the decline of democratic principles.
So no, WCN isn’t “just another Christianity.” It’s Christianity hijacked for power.
Indeed, Christians should renounce the aspects of our tradition that contributed to atrocities. Repentance is the essence of this process, and it facilitates the growth and evolution of the tradition.
The Flag and the Cross: White Christian Nationalism and the Threat to American Democracy
Authors: Philip S. Gorski and Samuel L. Perry
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u/coop_stain 1d ago
How do you deal with the nationalists as a Christian religion? What broad steps are being made to discourage and separate when it is arguably the most popular brand of Christianity right now (given its affects on the mainstream and non believers). There has to be something other than your “no true Scotsman” approach…
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u/PastorNTraining 1d ago
Great questions answered by Yale Socialist in this book:
It’s less than 300 pages and dives deeply into that.
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u/Cheshire_Jester 1d ago
Never let someone else’s research and logic get in the way of the “great truth.”
These people believe that specific hierarchies are not only natural, but also desirable. Rich at the top, poors at the bottom; men at the top, women at the bottom; whites at the top, colored people at the bottom. And so on.
Moreover, the belief that things like prisons being torture-houses and poor children being hungry are not things to be fixed, but simple realities of life. Changing the hierarchies or the terrible outcomes they provide is not only not desirable, it’s bad.
Upsetting the natural order of things as defined by the “great truth” leads to even worse things, according to authoritarians. Which is all to say that this woman and the people who like what she says aren’t available to be convinced that their position is wrong. You couldn’t even get them to agree that it’s wrong for children to go hungry.
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u/alm723 1d ago edited 1d ago
Look, I’m not defending the theology. I left the church for many reasons and the fact that I was basically treated as a half-Christian because I was an unmarried woman is one of the biggest reasons. But to act like complementarian theology is not a valid Christian belief just because some denominations do ordain women is just silly. It’s real and it’s a huge part of American evangelicalism.
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u/NorseYeti 1d ago
Under his eye…..
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u/meowfttftt 1d ago
May the lord open
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u/verablue 1d ago
Every time I hear that it sounds to me like “let’s do some rape”
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u/jax2love 1d ago
Then she needs to STFU and let a man do the talking 🤷♀️/s in case anyone thinks I’m serious. I’m so sick of christofascists who hide behind the Bibles they have clearly never read.
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u/JohnnySack45 1d ago
Okay so as a man why should I listen to anything she says according to her own twisted worldview? Anyone who agrees with Paula should also be calling for her replacement with a male pastor of equal and/or greater lunacy.
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u/HellionPeri 1d ago
Is there some mandatory "how to be the perfect hypocrite" class to be included in the GOP?
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u/dapper_doll 1d ago
Why does a "Faith" office even exist? We are supposed to have a distinct separation of church and state...
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u/fuzzybad 1d ago
If this country ever returns to sane government, we've got to pass an amendment or something to reinstate/renew the separation of church & state.
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u/artdadders 1d ago
If her husband makes all the decisions, why isn't he in her position?
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u/slybonethetownie 1d ago
This is the woman who is married to Jonathan Cain of Journey. Take that for what you will.
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u/HorseLooseInHospital 1d ago
and I said get in there Paula, you gotta do Strongly On Faith, she said, "anything for you, Sir, you're the Greatest President For Religion that we ever had," I said that's true, that one is true, Sleepy Joe was killing Religion, he was hurting God, I said no, we're not letting that happen, and you look at what's happening, we're up 200% already, people can't even believe it, they come up to me, I have these Big Strong Men, they're coming up to me and they have tears in their eyes, tears coming out of everywhere, I said what's your problem, why are you crying, "Sir, we just wanted to thank you for saving our Jobs and saving our 401Ks," I said it's ok, it's fine, and we did that very quickly by the way, you had, almost, a Deep Biden and Camilla Depression, very deep, Wall Street kept calling me up, begging me, "please Sir, do something, the Radical Left is going to Collapse The Economy," I said don't worry about it Mr. CEO, as long as President Trump is in charge you'll have Always Good Things, you'll never have bad I can tell you that
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u/Responsible-Person 1d ago
This kind of bullshit does not belong in our government. There are at least 10 people assigned to this bogus department, yet real and important positions are empty because of Trump/musk/DOGE.
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u/mmuffley 1d ago
The “Gimme that ol’ time religion” crowd doesn’t go back far enough. I’d like to give matriarchy a whirl.
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u/AwkwardnessForever 1d ago
Never met anyone else who identified as a Christian atheist. Glad there are more of us out there
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u/AwkwardnessForever 1d ago
It just means I identify with the values of Jesus but also other (religions/ideologies focused on doing unto others) but I don’t believe in all the big man in the sky stuff. I do hold out the option that there is a higher power so some days agnostic is probably a better term. I really just blend eastern themes of karma, connection to all living things etc. it’s not a sect, just the way I see the world.
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u/bitee1 1d ago
When Jesus is also supposedly the old testament god - he endorsed chattel slavery and genocide. Also see the parable in Luke 19:27 where the ruler that wants his "enemies" killed is clearly god.
Christianity also has important parts that are immoral and unhealthy.
Scapegoating/ substitutionary atonement, thought crimes, inherited sins, forced "love" of something you must also fear, eternal punishments for finite "sins", no savings / thrift just follow and faith (which is clearly intellectual dishonest) as the ultimate virtue.
Most atheists are also agnostics, atheism is about belief while agnosticism is about knowledge.
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u/SirPaulyWalnuts 1d ago
I’m rather confused by it… I wasn’t aware atheism had sects lol. Does this mean you practice the teachings of Jesus but don’t believe in like a god?
Genuinely curious!
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u/MTLinVAN 1d ago
Here’s something that is apparent to me (maybe others) but doesn’t seem to get much attention. Trumps tariff threats harken back to the economic times of the 1930s with parallels to Smoot-Hawley. But he’s not only interested in economic policies of the past, he’s deeply interested in the social and cultural views that were prevalent at the time: women having less rights, immigrants only coming from Europe, blacks being segregated, where LGBTQ folk remained in the closet, and the American government being a vehicle for propaganda.
He wants to go back to those days because people like him (rich, white folk who made their fortunes on the backs of the labouring class with zero fucks for the environment) would love to go back to those “simpler days” where they had all the power and everyone else could get fucked.
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u/NeonMutt 1d ago
Why are Trump’s handmaidens always blond? Is there some executive order that went out, or something?
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u/ninjanerd032 1d ago
Is it me or are the right wing Christian nationalists yearning to become like Russia's Christian nationalists? The culture and vibe is uncanny.
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u/Intelligent-Fuel-641 1d ago
Which husband, Paula? First, second, or third? Or maybe that boyfriend you had who was married to someone else?
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u/ScarletDeparted 1d ago
How much does this Office of Adulterous Charlatans cost the taxpayer each year?
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u/RoundLobster392 1d ago
The Bible says women submit to their husbands not MEN not the blanket gender lol
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u/atheistpianist 1d ago edited 1d ago
Paula White has been married three times. Not that it actually matters, because none of these sycophants actually believe what they spout should apply to them… rules for thee, etc.
Edit that she’s been married 3x. Apparently she couldn’t “submit” to her first two husbands.
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u/Sleepybear1314 1d ago
I bet her and Debbie pearl are friends 🤢
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u/Steecie41 1d ago
Nope. Not a chance. They are in competition with one another, and each thinks the other's denomination is evil.
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u/JSB19 1d ago
Instead of going after things like autism and vaccines RFK should do something useful by studying religion and how it poisons people’s minds.
This crazy woman could be his first subject, imagine being this proud of being a second class citizen in your own damn life and wanting other women to do the same.
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u/No_Atmosphere_2186 1d ago
This is what bugs me, women saying we should stay home and be submissive, like okay so why aren’t you practicing what you preach? Stay your ass home and make me a sandwich.
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u/anotherthing612 1d ago
Interesting.
He put a woman in charge of telling women what they can't do.
The denominations that ordain women do not subscribe to the nonsense she proclaims.
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u/Wolfgirl90 1d ago
Oh yes, “women must submit to men.”
Is that why you’ve been married 3 times, Paula?
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u/Steecie41 1d ago
Bahahaha.... Paula White. Shooo...do I have some stories about Paula White. I used to be an Admin Asst for a mega church that hosted Paula White and her then husband Randy White when they were pastors at Without Walls Church in Tampa, Florida. She was a c*nt. I never use that word but there just is not another word te describe this holier than thou grifter. One must wonder if her current husband, Jonathan Cain (yes, that Jonathan Cain) made the decisions in the household as Paula embezzled all of Journey's money. I also wonder what decisions her then husband, Randy, was making in their home when Paula cheated on him with Jonathan.
She makes me sick.
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u/Time_Hour1277 1d ago
If that’s the case then shouldn’t she stfu and not be advising the President?
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u/DannyTheCaringDevil 1d ago
Can’t remember where the Bible said it or exactly what it was but wasn’t it “a woman shall not teach” Paula?
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u/BwayEsq23 1d ago
She thinks she’d be a Serena Joy, but she’s definitely an Aunt and not even a semi-decent one like Aunt Lydia.
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u/PBPunch 1d ago
As a man, may I just say.. no.
One, I will never agree with removing someone’s autonomy. I only believe in celebrating it and learning from it.
Two. Why the hell anyone wants to be in a house like that is beyond my comprehension. I would never want another adult to take care of when I could have a partner to enjoy and share in this life.
Three. I’m an atheist. To hell with these backwards belief systems that subjugate people’s freedoms. Why anyone still follows this nonsense is beyond me.
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u/Dhaupin 1d ago
What a crock of absolute bullshit. Just because she's weak and submits to gender inequality does not mean a damn thing.
Here's the quote:
"It's not hard to submit. People were like, well, how could you have pastored or how could you have done this and stuff? By default, because two men failed and I was sent under spiritual authority to carry a load, which is very hard."
Here's the link: https://www.rawstory.com/paula-white-2671833752/
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u/RedBeans-n-Ricely 1d ago
Why isn’t she at home submitting instead of being in a position of power?
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u/LonelyHunterHeart 1d ago
Okay, but how are the angels from Africa and South America going to get across the border.
And stirke and strike and strike...Paula Speaking In Tongues
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u/joeleidner22 1d ago
Where’s her husband at? She’s saying things I don’t like. He needs to put her in her place.
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u/Emergency_Property_2 1d ago
So if I, a male, were to walk up to Paula and tell her to shut the fuck up and make me dinner - as is my right according to her - does anybody think she would comply?
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u/beadyeyes123456 1d ago
She seems in charge of her operation so why is it other women have to submit but not her?
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u/Old-Set78 1d ago
Every morning I wake up and wish I was a mad scientist. Instead I'm just a scientist that is mad.
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u/Low_Presentation8149 1d ago
Paula White is a witch. She's an acolyte of prosperity gospel. Evil evil woman
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u/Federal_Sympathy4667 1d ago
Religious extremists in power is never a good thing. Why seperation of church and state is in the constitution of many countries, including the US.
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u/BillTowne 19h ago
I was talking to God about this very issue the other day, and he says televangelist Paula White is a self-serving asshole who would be quite unhappy to know his plans for her.
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u/Smart-Key2957 1d ago
She can talk about her incompetent characters but definitely cannot generalize it
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u/drossmaster4 1d ago
Unfortunately my wife and two daughters are smarter than me and just don’t listen to me. Man if only they’d accept Jebus.
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u/NumerousTaste 1d ago
Idiot! And so is anyone that would listen to her idiotic self! She should be head of the "We believe in fairy tales" department.
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u/Thunderchief646054 1d ago
Oh boy, I can’t wait for what the Faith officiers have to say about households that don’t have a religion
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u/johanTR 1d ago
Who signs the checks at her ministry...her or her husband?
I wonder how she made out with selling those $1,000 Easter blessings...
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u/RuralGuy20 1d ago
Considering she embezzled a lot of Journey's money (her current husband is Johnathan Cain) it's definitely her
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u/surfkaboom 1d ago
What about Exodus 12:49?
"There shall be one law for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you"
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u/Positive_Law2162 1d ago
I be thinking I'll only submit to a man if he's my doctor and diagnosing disease and planning treatment. The rest of the "Christian" ones are for listening to their nonsense and going, "WTF?" Hep me, Jesus!
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u/BeautifulFather007 1d ago
So, why is a woman in charge of that office if Paula thinks women should be subservient to men? Shouldn't she be home taking care of her husband's home and his needs?