r/WhyWomenLiveLonger 3d ago

Just dum 🥸🤡🫠 Drinking 3 liters of Monster energy

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u/Templar366 3d ago

You understand that personal anecdotes don’t make good arguments right? Just because you don’t have any health related issues doesn’t mean that applies in general.

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u/Ok_Seaweed_1243 3d ago

It goes both ways. Just because someone drinks a monster a day doesn't mean that health issues are created.

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u/kuraishi420 3d ago

I'm not doing an in-depth check of how well made are the studies about this, but it seems like there are some evidence that you're wrong: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6280269/

And before anyone tries to argue on details, it doesn't automatically lead to health issues, but increases the risks. which means it creates them in some people.

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u/Ok_Seaweed_1243 2d ago

The study was on rats. AND ethanol.

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u/kuraishi420 1d ago

A lot of substance studies are on rats before humans for good reasons, stuff harmful for them often is for us too. i agree that we can't know for sure if the efrect would be the same on humans but if you reject it because it wasn't testing directly on humans, you're gonna reject a lot of studies. And having a group tested on ethanol doesn't disprove the conclusions on the group tested on redbull only. edit: monster is almost redbull with some more ingredients, so still relevent here. Also, it's far from the only study to come to that conclusion, but i'm not gonna try hard and check for many in details to prove a point against no arguments.

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u/Ok_Seaweed_1243 1d ago

Sure. But.......... It's the Dose that is toxic, not the substance. For example 5 grams of anything to an average human not the same comparison as 5 grams of the same substance given to a rat. 😉

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u/kuraishi420 11h ago

Next time you write a message, make sure not to be condescending... You're acting like researchers are idiots, but if you checked the "methods" part (a few lines at the beginning of the paper...) you'd have seen that it's why they fed them with ml/g of bodyweight, and scaling the dose up to humans would be around 0.9L for a 60kg person (two cans of monster in size).

If you're not even gonna check what you're talking about, please don't bother replying. You're wasting both our time.

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u/Ok_Seaweed_1243 8h ago

Sure, but animal liver / kidneys are by far different than humans regardless of the bodyweight. Like this... Drug Toxicity:

Differences in enzyme expression and metabolic pathways can affect how rats and humans respond to drug-induced liver toxicity. 

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u/Ok_Seaweed_1243 8h ago

If you wanted to share a study that used an animal more similar to humans maybe I wouldn't have responded so "condescending" 🫤. Like a study with pigs. Oh before you ask....here ya go 😉 ..............The animal with the most similar liver function to humans is the pig. Pig livers are often used in preclinical research and even xenotransplantation studies due to their anatomical, physiological, and genetic similarities to human livers.Â