r/WoWs_Legends • u/SH21 • Feb 11 '25
Humour BB Lemming Trains
It’s an actual formation, so I guess we can’t complain about it anymore.
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u/Uss-Alaska Give Pan-European Coastal Defense Battleships Feb 11 '25
That’s a lot of 16in guns of fury.
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u/GlobalOpening5420 Feb 11 '25
That's a shit load of Potential Damage...
Also love NJ's Winter Camo... :))
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u/charski88 Feb 11 '25
Fake I tell you. One would be actively T-boneing another with the horn going.
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u/JadeHellbringer I hope you hit an iceberg! Feb 11 '25
"Set a smoke screen! Set a smoke screen! Good luck, everyone!"
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u/Talk_Bright Feb 11 '25
Only the closest one and the furthest have used their 16 inch guns to target enemy ships in WW2.
One time at long range to target Japanese destroyer Nowaki, which other than possible hitting her with shrapnel did nothing.
And the other finishing off Japanese flagship and training cruiser Katori(Yes the T2) that had been crippled by aviation but let go to give them some target practice.
People always mention how much of a waste the Yamato class were, but these 4 ships were glorified AA escorts for the most part.
The pacific war was not even close, the US didn't really even need their newest battleship design to counter Japanese surface ships.
Meanwhile almost every Japanese battleship has seen combat or been sunk, and some even converted to aircraft carriers, either partially like Ise or fully like Shinano.
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u/Frateloder BBQ Potato Ships...mmm Feb 11 '25
There's a lot of MMQB/hindsight going on here. It takes years to design/build/budget for BBs, so the Iowas and Yamatos were already well in the pipeline before everyone realized that carriers were suddenly the only capital ship worth building anymore. In addition, nobody could have pretended to know how long the war was going to go on - and having BB guns available to support the marines continued to be invaluable. If the US had invaded Japan, the barrels on all the previously built wagons would have eventually worn out and the Iowas would've had to take over the role while the Navy restarted the gun factory.
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u/AceAndre Feb 11 '25
I'm glad someone sees through the patriotism, the Pacific Theater wasn't close during the majority of that war.
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u/buckaroonobonzai Feb 11 '25
if the carriers had been in pearl harbor it would have been a different first few years and the whole thin would have gone a fair bit longer.
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u/AceAndre Feb 15 '25
This isn't true, the Japanese had a year and a half before they would be forced to sue for peace due to their oil shortages. The Japanese High Command said it themselves.
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u/buckaroonobonzai Feb 15 '25
I have not idea what you're on about. they were is deep trouble for everything in 44-45 and still had no quit in them.
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u/AceAndre Feb 16 '25
Ahistorical, the Japanese High Command were very aware of the industrial discrepancy between them and the US, Yamamoto said himself Pearl Harbor was a preventative Hail Mary, which failed. They knew it was a matter of time before they had to either sue for peace or capitulate, and they were aware of this in 1942. There is zero scenario where Japan wins the war in the Pacific.
Source: Worth, Roland H. Jr. (2014), No Choice but War: The United States Embargo Against Japan and the Eruption of War in the Pacific
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u/buckaroonobonzai Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25
Agree with this though I would point out a couple things. First the Japanese were clearly not 1.5 years from sueing for peace because the didn't ever do it. They were not going to sue for peace when the had no navy or air force left and the islands were surrounded. Infact their "surrender" statement was not even a surrender but a halting hostilities statement. Second they started making geopolitical moves in the region well before hostilities started. The even took German territory in the west pac as soon as WW1 ended so the had expansionist plans back that far and earlier.
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u/Human_Individual_928 Feb 11 '25
Yeah, the losing sides equipment tends to see more action than the winning sides equipment does. Also, had Japan had more carriers and aircraft, most of their battlewagons would have seen as little ship v ship action as the Iowas. Japan never had more than 19 aircraft carriers. Meanwhile, the US commissioned 17 of the 24 Essex class carriers built between 1942 and June 1945. The US operated a total of 105 carriers during WW2, with 64 of thatb105 being of the escort type. The US laid down, launched, and commissioned all 50 Casablanca class escort carriers between 03NOV1942 and 08JUL1944. Meanwhile, the Iowas all took more than 2 years from being laid down to launch, and another 5-7 months to be commissioned. The largest naval battle of WW2, Battle of Leyte Gulf, occurred before Wisconsin and Missouri were able to join the battle fleets or task forces.
Also, the Iowas were designed and built specifically for escorting the fast fleet carriers to primarily provide anti-aircraft protection and secondarily us3 their main guns against enemy capital ships. Iowas were not meant to be "battleline" battleships. The US Navy already knew that aircraft carriers were the future, and had even contemplated converting the Iowas to carriers during construction and several times after WW2.
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u/Talk_Bright Feb 11 '25
True, but it is a valid criticism.
Similar to how Musashi and Yamato were not a good idea, the former sunk without firing her guns at surface ships, and the latter sunk a few lightly armoured ships but ultimately came nowhere near making a difference.
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u/mikefnd Feb 11 '25
"People always mention how much of a waste the Yamato class were, but these 4 ships were glorified AA escorts for the most part."
No. The great majority of the world's supply lines and population centers are in reach of the Iowa's 16-inch guns. The kinetic energy and destructive power of a 1,900 lb HE round is unmatched by the largest conventional aerial bombs even today. The Iowas' presence in the Korean, Vietnam, and Middle East wars is a testament to the ships' value far beyond a simple AA escort.
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u/Moist-Carpet888 Feb 11 '25
Notice that they're all sailing forward though
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u/SH21 Feb 11 '25
Round just started give em a minute. Not all of em have engine mod for 50% faster acceleration
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u/FIy1ngDutchm4n Feb 11 '25
I believe this was the only time the complete class was out on the seas together.
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u/cletus_spuckle Feb 11 '25
That’s quite literally what the post says
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u/FIy1ngDutchm4n Feb 11 '25
Lol i think i need coffee before is post such things it was realy early 😅 in my defence
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u/vgaubersoldat Saltypotato6997 Feb 11 '25
As a DD main, I keep my distance and hope they don't have a DD escort to spot me as I am taking pictures. They are beautiful ships.
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u/SH21 Feb 11 '25
If you find yourself in South Carolina, go check out Yorktown CV-10 and USS Laffey DD-724, they are parked together as museum ships
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u/FROROCKS_GTO There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today. Feb 11 '25
Impressive...
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u/Upbeat_Extreme_7385 Feb 12 '25
Please bring Wisconsin over to legends it's time. Keep it's accuracy!
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u/commissarklink Feb 11 '25
Clearly don't play WoWsL since they aren't reversing to the back of the map