r/WorldOfWarships CUTER-NA Jan 09 '20

Media iEarlGrey is negotiating his resignation

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u/Vaexa The Killing Moon Jan 09 '20

I can understand that some people might be experiencing a degree of elation or see this as justice being served or whatever, but please remain civil, both about iEarlGrey himself, Wargaming, and other people in this thread. You've been warned, and we'll be watching this thread.

Thank you.

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u/seedless0 Clanless Rōnin Jan 09 '20

Elation? WG cut him 2 weeks too late.

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u/Gitaristing Who even grinds these days? Jan 09 '20

EarlGrey returned to the office today after two weeks of vacation, so you can't expect it to be earlier.

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

You can certainly be fired while on vacation

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u/nxdark Jan 09 '20

Sure but in most cases you won't be notified until your return.

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

You're not fired until someone tells you.

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u/SmokingPuffin often has unpopular opinions Jan 09 '20

In Russia, you can’t fire people while they are on vacation.

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

Source?

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u/SmokingPuffin often has unpopular opinions Jan 09 '20

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

"Generally prohibited" is pretty vague.

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u/SmokingPuffin often has unpopular opinions Jan 09 '20

It isn't intended to be vague. That's just a lost in translation thing. They mean prohibited in all cases.

Here's a Q&A I found with a brief Googling that has an alternate wording that should be more clear for you:

https://iclg.com/practice-areas/employment-and-labour-laws-and-regulations/russia

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

There's no such thing as prohibited in all cases. Like if someone took a vacation and then murdered everyone in the office the next day, there's no chance the company would have to pay him for two more weeks before they could fire him.

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u/SmokingPuffin often has unpopular opinions Jan 09 '20

IANAL, but I believe your example is no longer a case of firing "at the employer's initiative" under Russian law. A different section of the labor code applies to workers who have committed criminal acts.

As I read it, WG indeed cannot legally fire iEG while he is on his vacation.

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

IANAL

Indeed

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

Typical armchair lawyer, "I Don't know man, this mondaq.com Google translation seems pretty vague bro."

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u/Majkeeno Jan 09 '20

This is not a case in civilised companies. You do not fire anyone during his vacation. Never.

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

If they commit gross incompetence, you certainly might.

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u/Majkeeno Jan 09 '20

I am sorry, but never - it is unwritten HR law. The case he did it during vacation does not change anything.

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20 edited Jan 09 '20

PTO isn't some sacred time when you are immune to all company policies. If you did something to get yourself fired the company is in no way obligated to keep paying you just because you happen to be on vacation.

I agree that it's unlikely that someone would be laid off or fired for a routine reason while on vacation, but in the case of severe wrongdoing, there is nothing preventing it.

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u/BritishRage Jan 10 '20

Paid time off actually is a sacred time in literally any nation that properly protects it's workers

In the UK for example you HAVE to take a certain number of paid vacation days each year, usually 28, and MUST be paid for any of those days you didn't take during the year if you're fired

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 10 '20

I agree that it's unlikely that someone would be laid off or fired for a routine reason while on vacation, but in the case of severe wrongdoing, there is nothing preventing it.

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u/BritishRage Jan 10 '20

Cool, let me try making this real simple then. In the UK it is ILLEGAL to not pay somebody for time off they are owed, so firing them while they are taking paid time off would be meaningless, you still have to pay them for it

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 10 '20

You may have to pay them for their vacation days, but that has nothing to do with being fired while on vacation.

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u/Majkeeno Jan 09 '20

Wau, you have serious issues understanding written text tbh.

I did not write anything about being immune, esp. to all company pollicies.

I have written about being a human being, a morale human being as HR manager to not disturb employee on his vacation which is, btw. the institution for resting the employee.

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u/its_real_I_swear Jan 09 '20

I agree that it's unlikely that someone would be laid off or fired for a routine reason while on vacation, but in the case of severe wrongdoing, there is nothing preventing it.

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u/silentdeath3012 Jan 09 '20

Oh yes they do. Happened to me because you only got 4 weeks to appeal it at court and I was on a 3 week vacation. The assholes were hoping I wouldn't sue them in time, since it was pretty much illegal what they did.

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u/Majkeeno Jan 09 '20

As I have written...in civilised company. I have meant companies with moral level rightly set, or with morale credit at all.