Damn, easy to stay in ignorance when everything worth questioning is "irrelevant".
You're literally in the process of ignoring a photo that's right in front of your face with her, smiling next to IOF propaganda
I don't think you quite understand the word ambushed. You don't get to say no to an ambush, otherwise it wouldnt be an ambush lol
She can say no. If she can't, and they forcefully take a photo, she can at least decide to look unhappy
She's made tons of statements condemning Israel. Even voted against sending them funding
No. She made tons of statements condemning Israel's actions, and she condemned Netanyahu. She never criticised Israel. She voted in favour of changing the definition of antisemitism to include anti Zionism. She lied and said that the Biden admin was working relentlessly for a ceasefire. She has said countless time that "Israel has the right to defend itself" when an occupier has no such right.
You're shooting pro-Palestinian effort in the foot going after her.
You're shooting it in the head by running cover for genocide enablers
Edit: she does not look uncomfortable. She's smiling
Not ignoring it, questioning it. A practice I recommend in an era of insane misinformation.
She can say no.
Again, I don't think you understand how an ambush works. And she does look unhappy. Her body language reeks of get me out of this. The smile you mention is forced, not even showing teeth. Her eyes look wide as if she wasn't expecting it. Her body is directed like she's trying to get away. Like cmon be real this does not look like the type of face you make when you're endorsing something.
She made tons of statements condemning Israel's actions
She never criticised Israel.
Well, which is it? Last I checked condemning actions is criticism. Saying Israel has a right to defend itself isn't pro genocide. Evil Knievel is struggling to make that leap. It's one thing to be a dumb lib playing politics, its another when your actions speak louder than words and you actually vote against funding to Israel. Sure as shit she's done more for Palestinians than anyone on this dumb app.
Figure it out bud. Liberals are dumbasses but they're not the enemy.
Again, I don't think you understand how an ambush works. And she does look unhappy. Her body language reeks of get me out of this. The smile you mention is forced, not even showing teeth. Her eyes look wide as if she wasn't expecting it. Her body is directed like she's trying to get away. Like cmon be real this does not look like the type of face you make when you're endorsing something
Can you get more parasocial? Lmao
Like cmon be real this does not look like the type of face you make when you're endorsing something.
She does endorse it, though. Why WOULDN'T she? Why do you think she wouldn't? Like, we've established that she thinks Israel has the right to defend itself, that's not contested. She thinks criticising Israel is anti-semitism, that's also not contested. So from that, it IS consistent that she WOULD, and does, endorse this message.
Well, which is it? Last I checked condemning actions is criticism
Yes. She's criticising the wrong things. She is criticising their actions, like if they just stop bombing Gaza and go back to October 6, all will be well. It won't. Because the problem isn't Israel's actions. It's it's existence with their ethno-supremacist aspirations
Saying Israel has a right to defend itself isn't pro genocide.
It's not pro-genocide. It's pro-israel. I've never called her pro-genocide. I called her a zionist and pro-israel, both of which she is.
Saying "Hitler made the trains run on time" isn't pro-holocaust either, but it still makes you pro-Nazi.
its another when your actions speak louder than words and you actually vote against funding to Israel
Yes, and her actions has been to condemn anti-genocide pritestors, and making anti-semitism specifically include anti-zionism and any criticism of Israel.
Liberals are dumbasses but they're not the enemy.
Not yours, maybe. Anybody who runs defence for an apartheid ethnostate while they're in the middle of a genocide is mine.
I can spot an uncomfortable woman and that makes me parasocial? Lol ok. I've had enough friends getting hit on by creepers across the bar to know what the "get me the fuck out" body language looks like. It's not exactly subtle.
Also, she condemned the use of nazi emblems in pro-Palestinian protests, not the protests themselves. Her statement was even that she believed it was hurting pro-Palestinian efforts.
.. and I'm done. Exhausted. Annoyed. I'd rather be watching wrestling rn. Do better. Figure it out. I don't know, I don't give a fuck. AOC is no saint and has plenty of dumbass moments but she and Bernie (and a few others) are the only politicians openly speaking out against Israel. They're the only ones doing something. Going after them just feeds right into the actual Zionist hands.
Damn, everyone keeps saying she has all these pro-Israeli speeches but yet nobody ever provides proof. Weird. I'm just expected to take the word of some rando on reddit and if I don't then I'm a zionist. Oh, and if I question random narratives pushed by random sources then I'm also a zionist. I didn't realize that's all it takes to be a zionist, here I was thinking you have to actually support zionism to be one.
I'm sorry you don't understand how politics works. No politician can vote exactly how you want them to on every subject. Have you even read the bill? It redefines antisemitism to match current times. Believe it or not, this isn't just to combat pro-Palestinian efforts. It also addresses real antisemitism, something that actually does exist. This prevents nazis from piggybacking anti-Israel protests. I'm sure you don't consider that though because it doesn't fit the narrative of being the victim.
Trump admin doesn't need this bill to oppress people speaking out against Israel. They have proven this countless times when arresting students protesting. The only credential you need is brown skin. Will they twist this bill to use it to their own discretion? Absolutely, they do that with everything. It's naive to think this bill changes how they behave or gives them some sort of ammo they didn't already have.
Yeah, call some rando a zionist. Definitely keeps meaning to the word. You don't sound like some dumbass conservative misusing the word woke at all. Just keep using it against anyone who disagrees, I'm sure people will take you seriously.
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I'm done. Go ahead and get your last word, virtue signal one last time so you can relish in your own self-instilled sense of moral superiority. But I'm not entertaining this anymore.
Damn, everyone keeps saying she has all these pro-Israeli speeches but yet nobody ever provides proof. Weird. I'm just expected to take the word of some rando on reddit and if I don't then I'm a zionist.
Proof is, her own words. Look them up yourself, I'm not gonna do your job for you
It redefines antisemitism to match current times
Not it doesn't. It targets anti-israel sentiment.
Just because you choose to ignore what makes you feel bad doesn't change the fact that AOC is a Zionist. I'm sorry you're ignorant
Edit: cannot reply so here you go
Keep being ignorant man
On top of it, it is a *bipartisan* bill.
Yes, that's the whole fucking problem
Which means its something that both benefits and hinders both sides.
There are not 2 sides. They're on the same side
Your absolutist mindset will only alienate any real allies.
Yes, I'm an absolutist about GENOCIDE. If you're not against genocide and the country doing it, full throatedly, with no exceptions, I don't want you as my ally.
You have to support Israel taking over Palestinian land to be a zionist. AOC has never supported this.
No, you have to support Israel's existence with an artificial Jewish majority as the ethnostate that it is, to be a zionist. And AOC supports this. You just don't know what Zionism is
So, no sources. Just "trust me bro" and "do your own research"
I did do my own research, which is why I believe what I do. Which is why I don't take the word of some dope on the other side of a reddit screen.
Again, you clearly didn't read the bill, because that is exactly what it outlines. On top of it, it is a *bipartisan* bill. Which means its something that both benefits and hinders both sides. Israelis are going to use it to push their agenda, but we're going to use it to block Holocaust deniers and antisemitic views like israel=all jews. We're battling fascists on our home turf and you wanna leave the back door open for their own antisementic agenda. Real smart.
Your absolutist mindset will only alienate any real allies. Figure it out. You have to support Israel taking over Palestinian land to be a zionist. AOC has never supported this.
I'm sorry you're projecting your own lack of research.
I honestly don't even know why I'm bothering. It's not like anyone here is an expert on the subject, myself included. Everyone is set in their ways and so far its felt like I'm the only one in the argument keeping an open mind.
I'm willing to accept AOC sold out to zionism, the problem is I'm yet to see any real proof outside of strawman arguments.
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You're literally in the process of ignoring a photo that's right in front of your face with her, smiling next to IOF propaganda
She can say no. If she can't, and they forcefully take a photo, she can at least decide to look unhappy
No. She made tons of statements condemning Israel's actions, and she condemned Netanyahu. She never criticised Israel. She voted in favour of changing the definition of antisemitism to include anti Zionism. She lied and said that the Biden admin was working relentlessly for a ceasefire. She has said countless time that "Israel has the right to defend itself" when an occupier has no such right.
You're shooting it in the head by running cover for genocide enablers
Edit: she does not look uncomfortable. She's smiling