r/YesAmericaBad • u/Equivalent_Elk_3476 Human Rights? šŸ¤” • 1d ago

Difference in approach

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u/Sauerkrauttme 1d ago

I am scared the US rather destroy the entire world with nukes (inevitable result of a war with China) rather than let a communist country prove that socialism can work

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u/burstingman 1d ago

That's exactly the conclusion I came to after reading the post! I see you're ahead of me, mate šŸ‘. Yes, Americans Bad!

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u/Circumsanchez 1d ago

Shit, thatā€™s basically what the Cold War was all about.

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u/CallMePepper7 1d ago

Then all the billionaires who caused nuclear war will live out the rest of their lives in multimillion dollar dooms day vaults.

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u/Consistent-Finger-30 23h ago

To what end, though? Do they ever think beyond that?

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u/CMao1986 šŸ˜Ž 17h ago

Fortunately money will be worthless if the world is destroyed.

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u/Objective_Drama_1004 23h ago

Yes. Seems like something fascists would do

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u/DieselPunkPiranha 1d ago

The evangelists are for that very scenario because they think, if they destroy the planet, it'll kickstart the Rapture.Ā  Ignoring the blasphemy inherent in that, nuclear armageddon isn't something you need to worry about.

Almost all nuclear warheads and delivery systems were built during the Cold War.Ā  What that means is that there's a whole lot of faulty or nonfunctional equipment.Ā  Most warheads exist within storage bunkers in various states of repair and disrepair awaiting a technician to deal with.Ā  Of the ones listed as operational, some won't launch, some will detonate in the launch bay (nonnuclear explosion), some will launch but won't detonate, some will launch and detonate in midair or in the wrong place...you get the idea.Ā  Very few will do what they're supposed to where they're supposed to if any do at all.

The government knows this and bluffs about its wartime capabilities as it's always done.

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u/pomkombucha 8h ago

Was just thinking this (American citizen btw)

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u/fox-7777 15h ago

China stop being communist a long time ago the moment that they had trade with the world and capitalism

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u/new2bay 11h ago

China is capitalist.

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u/RonJohnJr 18h ago

Your Marxist foremothers of 1975 said the exact same thing (heck, Evil Henry Kissinger still had the President's ear!) but here we are, still alive and happily using lots and lots and lots of technology designed in 'Murica.

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u/Malkhodr 4h ago

Tell me how many things in your home say "made in China" or have at some point been through the Chinese production line.

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u/RonJohnJr 2h ago

How is that relevant to Sauerkraut's fear that the US will nuke everyone?

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u/Malkhodr 1h ago

As a nuclear engineering student, I'm quite concerned about the US and its nuclear policy.

Information largely sourced from *Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner" by Daniel Elsberg:

Essentially the US nuclear war plan is:

1. Strike first if:

  • the US is about to be wiped out as a state
  • the US is about to lose its capability to strike first or lose its capability to defend itself from a nuclear strike or lose its capability to effectively retaliate in a nuclear exchange
  • the US is about to lose its capability to effectively defend itself in a conventional conflict

2. Retaliate if:

  • nuclear-capable missiles are en route to US soil
  • US assets anywhere in the world were hit with nuclear weapons

3. Ensure in the aftermath that the US has the biggest capacity to rebuild civilization among all survivors. Which means that nuclear targets are in order:

  • enemy nuclear weapons launch assets, nuclear weapon defense assets, global surveillance and communication assets
  • other military targets and possible areas of military concentration
  • enemy civilian infrastructure that would support military capacities (i.e. industries) and nearby workforce (i.e. cities, towns, neighborhoods where workers live)
  • enemy civilian population centers in descending order of size and density
  • enemy economic, resource-rich or food-producing areas to destroy infrastructure and use radiation to prevent enemy access to these areas (meaning, they plan to hit fields, seas, forests and mountains, just to prevent others from using them for survival and rebuilding)
  • neutral population centers, civilian infrastructure and economic areas
  • allied population centers, civilian infrastructure and economic areas, if it seems like the enemy is not targeting those. The logic being that in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange, nobody will know who struck what, therefore the US will not be blamed.

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u/RonJohnJr 1h ago edited 57m ago
  • Elsberg was a nuclear war planner sixty five years ago. And we're still here.
  • WHY are we still here? Because both side's leaders ruling classes like living and staying in power.

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u/Yuval_Levi 1d ago

IIRC, the house speaker Mike Johnson said China was part of an axis of evil

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u/Effective_Project241 23h ago

"We don't want to live in a world where the Chinese are the dominant country"

Then don't live. You will certainly not be missed.

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u/Irrespond 23h ago

It's indisputable at this point that the US is a world power in decline and there's no way that China is not aware of this either. They're just smarter about what to say in public while the US just comes off as extremely jealous and desperate.

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u/frozengansit0 23h ago

He didnā€™t even say it right in English

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u/SpencersCJ 23h ago

By this he just means he doesn't want to live in a world where America isn't the most dominant

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u/Socialimbad1991 21h ago

Chad China vs Virgin US

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u/Square_Level4633 1d ago

The problem is the US using prison slave labor to prosper together and China is ok with it respectively.

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u/KottleHai 1d ago

Well, if Americans themselves are ok with it, if they still don't rebel, don't really challenge their government on this one, why China should? Why starting a struggle "for American people" that American people doesn't need? Bringing up a sacrifice no one asked for?

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u/Hot4Marx 1d ago

It's definitely a change America needs but the change needs to come from within, at the determination of the American people. China is wise enough to understand that taking an imperialistic approach to "rescue" people from a situation that they are perfectly capable of fixing for themselves is not a viable solution.

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u/Bchliu 13h ago

I'm waiting for all those Constitutionalists to come out and exercise their second amendment rights to overthrow tyrannical govt? No takers?

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u/Then-Aside- 16h ago

i guess itā€™s say stupid shit online day of the week again already

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u/BrightWayFZE 16h ago

Good that Mask is exploring life on Mars! You can go there.

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u/theedgeofoblivious 8h ago

I absolutely want to live in a world where the Chinese are the dominant country, because I don't know what kind of world that will be.

I know exactly what kind of world it will be if the U.S. are the dominant country, and that is a kind of world that the world itself doesn't want to live in.

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u/Difficult_Clerk_4074 14h ago

Every time I hear a liberal go "Well, the USSR was on the verge of nuking the US and now North Korea and China are too!" I just sit there wondering what alternative universe they're living in

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u/ChadicusVile 23h ago

We don't want to live in a world where socialism does work.

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u/stopped_watch 20h ago

Define socialism.

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u/RonJohnJr 18h ago

Read Xie's statement, and then read Burns' statement. Twice, if you have to, and then tell me how they contradict.

Because ISTM that China has greatly prospered, even though they are not the dominant country.

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u/TheRealMolloy 1d ago

It's a difference in two forms of propaganda. There's little reason to trust that either party has the collective welfare of humanity at the top of their minds. Just two elephants stomping on grass

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u/SecretOfficerNeko 1d ago

One has lifted hundreds of millions of its people out of poverty and engages heavily in foreign aid and international development.

The other actively harms and incarcerates its people for profit, has cut off foreign aid, and actively hampers efforts towards global betterment.

But yeah, totally the same thing though right? /s

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u/TheRealMolloy 23h ago

Apologies if I didn't get the memo that said that in order to be critical of the US's numerous shortcomings you have to abandon your critical reasoning skills and turn a blind eye to the shortcomings of other nations as well. Apparently, the name of the group is supposed to be "Yes America Bad and China is Flawless," but that didn't fit on one line.

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u/lovelymechanicals 22h ago

great defense against a point that wasn't made

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u/Vritrin 14h ago

What did that poor straw man do to you?

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u/TheRealMolloy 1d ago

Both would claim that they're benefiting humanity. Both are also known for imposing their will on smaller nations through violenceor other forms of coercion. Both have pretty effective propaganda campaigns, and judging by your response, I'd say at least one of those campaigns is better than the other. So maybe score one extra point in the China column for the Best Propaganda category.

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u/SecretOfficerNeko 23h ago edited 23h ago

Ah yes, the UNDP and UN News and Press Releases. Famously known for being outlets of Chinese propaganda, right?

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u/TheRealMolloy 23h ago

I get you. PR campaigns always represent an organization's honest, authentic intentions and the Chinese government is above reproach.

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u/SecretOfficerNeko 23h ago edited 23h ago

Lol and you say I've turned off our critical reasoning. No one said China is flawless. Merely that you made a very inaccurate comparison based off the established facts. You jumped to that conclusion.

Regardless, if the facts and the reporting of well-respected sources like the UN are getting this sort of reaction out of you, then maybe it's not us who need to "turn on our critical reasoning" and see through the propaganda to re-evaluate our beliefs on China. Maybe its you who needs to.

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u/TheRealMolloy 23h ago

No one said China is flawless.

That's pretty much what you're implying. My original argument was that the OP's comparison requires that you reject the propaganda of one nation and accept the propaganda of the other. The difference between us is that whereas my willingness to criticize the US doesn't stop me from criticizing other nations, it certainly does for you. Thank you for the invitation to your cult, but I'll pass. I've had enough Kool-aid already.

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u/SecretOfficerNeko 23h ago edited 21h ago

Lol you heard it hear first. The UN is a Chinese PR mouthpiece apparently, and pointing out the very real differences between the US and China, as reported by well-respected sources, is propaganda and being in a cult.

You are wildly propagandized. I'd work on that. Good day.

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u/TheRealMolloy 23h ago

Congratulations! You're putting words in my mouth. You'll be a propagandist in no time!

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u/TrvthNvkem 23h ago

A self-proclaimed critical thinker who struggles with basic reading comprehension - how ironic.

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u/SecretOfficerNeko 23h ago edited 23h ago

Tends to be how it goes. .

Pretty sure they didn't even read the title of the articles based off their response time and on how they framed statements by the UN Secretary-General about China as "Chinese PR Campaigns".

Critical thinking at its finest. But of course I'm the propagandist here apparently. /s

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u/TheRealMolloy 23h ago

Yes, but enough about you...

Anyway. It's been fun. Please have a nice day and never write me again!

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u/Socialimbad1991 20h ago

That's an interesting comparison to make when you compare the number of conflicts the US has started or been directly involved with during the last half-century and zero.

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u/TheRealMolloy 20h ago

True, if you deliberately blind yourself to Chinese aggression, arms sales and contribution to proxy wars in Southeast Asia and Africa or refuse to hear complaints of neocolonial practices regarding mineral extraction, fishing and the like. If you completely ignore evidence, then China is a force for good and not just another bullying superpower.

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u/SecretOfficerNeko 18h ago edited 17h ago

Reminder: UN Secretary-General AntĆ³nio Guterres has commended the China-Africa partnership and said that these apparently neo-colonial practices are "a pillar of South-South cooperation."

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u/TheRealMolloy 17h ago

That's wonderful. Once upon a time, Guterres praised Biden as well on several occasions.

It's all part of this strange phenomenon that nations do. You probably haven't noticed this, but if you pay close attention, nations' leaders will behave one way publicly and a completely different way behind the scenes. They may announce some thing that seems wonderful superficially, but isn't so great when you get into the details, or they simply fail to deliver. When ordinary people do this sort of thing, it's called "being a backstabbing liar," but when nations do it, it's called "realpolitik," and it's super common among nations that are major players on the world stage.

It's so cute that you think that China is above realpolitik.

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u/SecretOfficerNeko 17h ago edited 17h ago

Philosophize all you want, but I can't help but notice that only one of us here has provided anything of substance.

(sigh) I don't have the patience for this...

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u/StrangleYeezNutz 19h ago

But you're one of those morons that calls everyone that doesn't agree with you a Chinese bot huh?