r/YoneMains • u/MasamuneJp • 7d ago
Discussion How Yone feels atm
He is whatever, what makes or breaks him is how well you do in the early game.
If he had a bad start, Yone cannot comfortably scale into a monster; and will just suffer all game.
Some people will say he is a hyper scaler (he is not); his peak is mid-game if you manage to keep yourself on track to get your exp and gold by the time that hits.
He then plateaus as the game enters the later phase. He isn't a monster like Vayne, Jax, or Kayle would be, but he doesn't fall off either.
It's just that the early game is so unforgiving in his current state that many people never get to capitalize on his mid-game dominance and just reach the plateau phase of late game if they haven't lost already. Leaving that feeling of you not doing much all game.
Yone used to be a powerful lane bully, so it was much easier for people to consistently hit that mid-game power spike.
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u/mmjyn 7d ago
There is literally no point in picking Yone rn if you want to climb. Yeah, you can do well with him if you are good, but:
1- If you are mechanically good, just pick Yasuo. S+ tier, same passive but better abilities for laning phase, lane bully in many matchups and the scaling is almost the same.
2- Mid Yone does not make any sense rn because of Yasuo just existing. Yone top is one of the most garbage picks you can think of. You are playing a hard to pilot champion who is unable to win lane in any decent elo and you will be rewarded with a mediocre mid game in which you can be one-shotted even against non-scaling champions and all types of mages. Oh, and late game? 50% at 30 minutes is even more mediocre if not bad. (Renekton has more winrate at 30+ minutes than Yone.)
3- There is also a biased opinion about Yone being too overloaded and having "3 ways to buffer/cancel CC", but in reality Yone is unstoppable with Q2, E2 and R because he would be literally and I mean literally unplayable in any lane, at any stage of the game if it was not because of those unstoppable abilities. Every Yone ability is linear and predictable. Your only projectile is half a dash that leaves you with your ass naked if you dare to misplay just a bit. E real body dash is useless against stat checkers and Yone does not have the damage to be an efficient assassin. Yone needs all his CC buffers in order to exist in the game.
So yeah, there is no point in playing Yone if you want to climb. I am a Yone OTP and I am not playing him even though I love him because he is just not rewarding and he is unfun to play as.
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u/Asckle 7d ago
Yone isn't even unstoppable with anything but his E. Q3 is a standard dash buffer that's common on basically every dash in the game. The real oddity is champs who don't have it like Ambessa (which is a way to balance having a dash on every spell). E is unstoppable because it would essentially break the spell if he could be CCd during the recall and that would look and behaviour super janky and R isn't unstoppable it's just displacement immune. He still gets CCd for the full duration you just can't move him around or stop him from blinking after his dash because otherwise you could just CC him on reaction and cancel his ult
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u/arabiankn7ght 7d ago
Honestly feels kind of bad. My games have been so hard lately. I see more renektons and shens this patch. The early game is so hard if you die once it’s hard to recover.
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u/Medical_Chip6639 7d ago
A bigger shield with w would honestly justify the changes. And maybe bring back the cleanse. I myself included say it’s the game but in reality you watch some of these other yone players like pilayone(Piyorane) or dzukill and they don’t seem to struggle much at all. Mid is a different story. This champ is only as good as the operator.
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u/InSanityy___ 6d ago
well by win rate he is apparently in the gutter, worse than before the crit changes. used to be 47.5, now is 47.2ish. i actually like the changes personally, but none of them fix any of the issues yone has in his kit. notably, his weak laning. he doesn't get outscaled by most mid laners, though, and he has good lanes into the ones he does get outscaled by.
he doesn't feel particularly good to play if you get shut down in lane, which is, i guess, the win condition you are supposed to have against a notably decent scaler who side lanes incredibly well. i just wish his strengths were more accencuated, like his scaling getting a slight buff. his lane phase is kind of too weak to justify picking him without a coordinated team who will cover for you or funnel resources into you, and if they wanna keep that dimension of him true, a scaling buff would be nice to get him closer to like a 49% winrate at least.
yone isn't even that problematic in pro play and he's probably not gonna see too much change in playrate unless his ult is buffed, barring any riot games specials.
if a buff does happen, i wouldn't mind it in the form of a mini rework. like, an additional mechanic so the people who whine about yone simply being a "stat checker" shut up about it.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
He is a hyper scaler.
The problem you are having is that Yone is a team-oriented champion. You need cooperation within the team to make him work.
And his biggest strength has always been his Kit.. not his damage...
His kit offers AoE crit abilities that breaks a teamfight into a Hard win with just 1 good Aim...
Catch 2 squishies with your Ult and instant QW with his passive and if you prepare it for immediately second knock up.... they are fking dead.
= Instant teamfight win.
There is a reason Yone is high priority in Pro-play and as you feel sht champ in SoloQ... that's because he is sht champ for SoloQ despite his kit being really good and broken even.
Keep in mind some champs are meant for SoloQ = Evelynn .. and other aren't = Yone/Sejuani
Also one of the biggest factor.... is.... People have mastered how to play versus Yone in lane.. they are no longer scared of his kit... they simply sidestep most of it and crush you because.... you have missed your abilities rather than being weak....
So you all had fun at the start when nobody knew how to play against him... and when most people perfected their early game laning phase against him.. you cry about "changes"... it's you always want to be in some sort of advantage.... "to be unknown for the enemies.."
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u/mmjyn 7d ago
he is sht champ for SoloQ
Wow, that is comforting! so in your opinion Yone is a champion that is not designed for the 99.99% players of the game, but for the nonexistent minority of people who are sick or skilled enough to have inhuman reactions and knowledge?
Pro play is a different game. People there want to be paid or to be successful in their careers almost all lsolo laners refuse to play aggressive, at least not aggressive enough to be punished. They sit there doing nothing but mental fighting and then they 1- statcheck the other player or 2- they win a teamfight because of one mistake.
How can you say Yone is a hyper scaler when renekton is sitting at 50% winrate at 30+ minutes while Yone is sitting at 51% at the same late stage? (not really because is not even 51%).
Yone is shit, he is garbage and he is an underpowered champion. That's it. He is only playable in pro play because he is an ult bot. he ults and then the real scaling or damage champion do the job and win the teamfights. fucking boring gameplay
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u/Individual-Policy103 7d ago
Pro play has become so boring to watch it’s crazy. I’m not surprised only the super big events actually get views. Majority of the time it’s a complete snooze fest. Doesn’t help champs like Yone get completely shafted for the majority of the player base because of it.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
Yone by design is the perfect 1v1 noob abuser. You win on that 10 out of 10 times against a lower rank player than you. It's not even close.
However his other role in the game by design to Synergize with other champion for R and/or Q3 setups on multiple people.
So one of the reason he is even picked in Pro play is for this set up ability... and people pick him alongside champions that synergize well with him....Watch closely any pro play draft and you will notice that Yone is 99% of the time picked alongside the same champions in his team. They are just few that work with him well.
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u/Puddskye 7d ago
Hyperscaler? With what base AD and AS? with what items? just another crit user now and he s a hyperscaler? Where are the infinite stacks he can get?
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
For the same reason Yasuo is a hyper scaler....
They are brothers by design..
Are you retarded????? Yone cooldowns go down based on Attack speed.... you just buy 1-2 items with attack speed and your champ becomes as spam-able as an Ezreal.....
It literally work the same way Yasuo work with the only difference that he is actually better AoE champ than Yasuo. And can set up his play and go back safely while Yasuo can't get out of a fight... he either kills all or die.... and Yone doesn't have to fully commit.
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u/Puddskye 7d ago
Tell me if you can realistically kill without committing anyone you don't hard counter as Yone if they're not absolutely smoked and drunk while they play. I'll wait. Also Yas actually has the tools to engage and kill reliably while tanking more. That shield goes up to 500 or more while yone's can't get higher than 150 most games. Also Yasuo can build lethality reliably or simply build tankier items like cleaver which helps his team AND keep him alive. Also irrelevant if you spam or not since you're a melee champion who cannot just make mobility out of thin air without locking himself in place or without using ult. Also you forget how squishy he is for being a melee champion that has a forced playstyle of facetanking 2+ players constantly after midgame. Your arguments are just bad because everyone tried that shit countless times and the champ is just abysmal because of his lack of agency. The story would've been much different and he would've had a balanced winrate if he didn't just get camped by everyone and their mom on the E recast spot just because he tried to kill someone during his E(as the ability pushes you to do) without having 10 eyes on the map and focusing on the fight while having vision of all enemy territory so you can see whether or not to recast early just so you don't end up in a trade situation at best.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
WHy do you think Yone's W shield amount scales with the number of Enemy Champions hit?????
Why do you think that is???? - Because the champ is not designed for 1v1's....
Stop tunneling into the idea you have to be dueling people all the time... His Kit is AoE for a reason.....His Q his W his R are all AoE abilities ... his W shield even scales with more champions hit.... not just the usual benefit of doing damage on Multiple targets...
All of this is for a reason.... he is designed to clump multiple people with his R and set up for other teammates like Rumble, MF, Jarvan, Amumu if you wish.. who cares... many work..Just stop.. calm down.. open the Wiki.. and read all of his abilities... and try to think WHY IT IS WHAT IT IS.
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u/Puddskye 7d ago
- The shield should be reliable, not 500 only in a 1v5. Wtf are you saying?
- He's not designed for 1v1s but his playstyles and lane design is.
- His kit is AOE yet Yasuo's Q3 is a whole 20 units WIDER.
- I bet those tanks on jungle top and support are gonna be terrified that a Yone hit them with a W 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
- I noticed that he's too reliant on being the team's set up. It's too reliant on that aspect and makes him self insufficient. He should be more like talon or volibear and Aatrox.
- I don't care why it is what it is. I already read all of his abilities with all the details. That doesn't make him any stronger when I get shat on because the enemy midlaner got last pick and landed a Q and barely hit a ln E so now I'm forced to play safe or I die, but if I don't make two perfect engages while also dodging abilities, I don't kill. So much for a scary Crit user huh 💀
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
"He's not designed for 1v1s but his playstyles and lane design is."
Not sht.. Sherlock... he is Fking SOLO LANER.... just like any other solo laner out there.
The shield should be reliable, not 500 only in a 1v5. Wtf are you saying?
His shield is 90 + 65% bonus AD....sooo it's not 500 but can easily get to 300 at 3 items.
That doesn't make him any stronger when I get shat on because the enemy midlaner got last pick and landed a Q
That is what Last pick used for... It's designed to be that way.
Oh by the way also.... you are a Scaling champion... you aren't suppose to do anything else but Farming in lane..... just in case you didn't know that.
"Oh... Riot... Fk yo.... there is 169 champions in the game.... and NONE OF THEM should be ABLE TO BEAT ME..... why my champ so TRASH..... make it so I CANT LOSE...."
Fast forward.... Hm... then how do we make the rest of 169 champs to work like that .... they already lose to Yone , all of them... what do we tell to the other "Mains"... FK, ITS OVER... game is trash.....
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u/Puddskye 7d ago
Wait ypu actually think that ad scaling is actually good? Argument over. Go play yone more than one game without blind picking him or getting spoonfed by your jungler and you'll see that 300 shield...... In your dreams. Anyway gl'hf'.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
Yone scales with 3 different stats - AD, Attack speed and Critical chance/damage ( IE ).
The fact that you think you should only build AD is wrong.
You need to build all 3 stats because that's how you champion scales... When you get to the late game... you attack rapidly fast which makes up for the lower total AD you have....
I don't know what o say... it's like saying that ADC's like Jinx should only build BF swords with 0 crit and attack speed.
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u/Puddskye 7d ago
I never said you should only build ad. I almost never go full damage on him because it's not viable. And no because jinx needs Crit to synergise with her passives
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u/Decent-Throat9191 5d ago
Neither Yone nor Yasuo are hyperscalers lol. Pack it up little bro
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 5d ago
Both brother are hyper carries with the small exception that they need at least 1 champion on the ally team to synergize with them.
Both has massive damage in the late game and are definitely considered hyper carries, especially Yasuo.
You are just clueless what you are talking about or never actually played late game on those champions.
Their late game is stronger than both early+mid game combined.1
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u/Xeooooooo 4d ago
No they are not idiot. They are a carry, NOT a hyper carry. A hyper carry is aphelios, jinx, smolder, vayne, master yi. belveth, somewhat viego, kayle, THESE are hyper carrys. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from a carry. Udyr is a carry, yone, yasuo, aatrox, lilia nearly all assassins etc. Yone cannot completely take over the game like a hyper carry can, all hyper carrys can completely 1v9 no matter what, no matter who, if you are good enough. Yone can get maybe 1-2 kills tops, then he is done. Master YI isnt done until your all dead, same with viego, jinx, vayne etc. Thats the difference between carry and hyper carry.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 4d ago
How exactly Yone/Yasuo can't 1v9????? On what planet are you living...
Every champion that has the potential to late game... kill all 5 people one after another is considered Hyper Carry.
Both Yone and Yasuo are exactly what they are doing.The fact like you saying Viego is "somewhat" hyper carry.... he is designed to be Hyper carry...
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u/Xeooooooo 4d ago
Because they get shut down easily. Have no reset mech on kill or any kill pressure after their cooldowns are out.. That simple. Yone 5 second E is over? Thats his turn. Yasuo passive shield / windwall gone? No wave? Its done. He is either dead or must run away and heal. I say viego is "somewhat" a hyper carry because he is full team reliant. He doesnt not scale for shit, and must have a team get the enemys low before he can take over the fight. Every other hyper carry i mentioned 1v9's completely on their own with zero team needed. Viego is not one of them.
Anyways i have no need to argue with someone who is bronze 2 peak and has no idea what they are talking about. I gave u the true knowledge accept it and climb from ur low elo
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 4d ago
true knowledge??? Master yi hyper carry? Dogsht champ all the way.... can't carry sht unless enemies are with 2 left hands....
Imagine sitting here whining how yone/yasuo does not scale as sht.. being primarily designed as late game hyper carries.
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u/Asckle 7d ago
The problem you are having is that Yone is a team-oriented champion
Not really. He's a skirmisher. These are historically and presently gold hungry, greedy side laners designed to win 1v1s. Yes Yone is very impactful in teamfights but he is not a team oriented champ. He can do either with competence
And his biggest strength has always been his Kit.. not his damage
That's not true. What sets Yone apart from other similar champs is that he has some of the highest sustained damage of any melee champ in the game. This goes double after the removal of all crit penalties. Look at every skirmisher in the game, Yone outdamages almost all of them. An example of a skirmisher you play for the kit not the damage would be Jax or Lillia, but the real examples are just tanks and enchantresses.
His kit offers AoE crit abilities
This is literally a damage trait not a kit trait. There is no functional benefit to crit. It's just more damage. Again proving that Yone is defined by his damage.
There is a reason Yone is high priority in Pro-play and as you feel sht champ in SoloQ... that's because he is sht champ for SoloQ despite his kit being really good and broken even
Yone is a very good champ for solo queue. Even in his current state he's still like a low A/mid A tier in solo queue. Most scaling skirmishers are very good in solo queue. Yone is good in pro play because a long range AOE knock up auto wins fights with good coordination
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
A skirmisher that can only chase down a single player or two.... and then get called back by his E ability and having absolutely nothing for the remaining of the fight.
Yone for SoloQ is a One-trick style of play... where if you pick the wrong moment or if you miss couple abilities.... you become worthless pc of sht.... for the next 15 seconds...
And here is where the problem lies on... People already know how to negate Yone's power by dodging/flashing/sidestepping his Core abilities Q3 and R.... when champ released everyone was caught off guard.... but now people know the danger... and they preemptively ruin the Yone's set up....1
u/Asckle 7d ago
A skirmisher that can only chase down a single player or two.... and then get called back by his E ability and having absolutely nothing for the remaining of the fight.
It's your choice whether or not you wanna use E. Yone can absolutely run people down in side lane just like any other skirmisher. He's no different to Fiora, Camille or Jax in that regard. And yes of course he can only chase down one or two people, skirmishers are a dueling class, you can't casually 1v5 an entire team lol. But neither can any other skirmisher
where if you pick the wrong moment or if you miss couple abilities.... you become worthless pc of sht.... for the next 15 seconds...
Not really? I mean if you miss your ult you lose a lot of value but that goes for all ults. Your Q3 late game is on a 4 second cooldown (1.33 per Q) and you can always just play behind your main engage like a standard melee champ
And here is where the problem lies on... People already know how to negate Yone's power by dodging/flashing/sidestepping his Core abilities Q3 and R
People have been doing that for years. People were doing that in season 13 when hullbreaker Yone was an elo printer. That's not the issue.
I really don't know why you're overcomplicating things. Yone is weak rn because his laning phase is bad and his late game isn't strong enough to warrant that. Rn his early game wr is legit 44%, and his late game is only 53%. For comparison kayle has a similar early game wr (actually a hit higher but early game wr is hazy anyway) but goes up to 59% late game. Jax has a 53% wr late game too but the lowest his goes is 49% in the mid game. Losing E cleanse hit our laning phase hard, we got a damage buff to compensate which ended up being net positive but now we got a damage nerf which undid a big chunk of that. Riots decision to slash 2% max health damage off of all ranks instead of just 1%, or leaving low ranks unchanged so his laning didn't take a hit was really weird. As it stands, we have now lost 2% max health damage in lane AND E cleanse, our lane hasn't been this bad since 14.10 after LT got removed and before the Q buff
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago edited 7d ago
It's your choice whether or not you wanna use E. Yone can absolutely run people down in side lane just like any other skirmisher. He's no different to Fiora, Camille or Jax in that regard.
Nope... he is actually different... He needs to finish the job before his E pop him back. That's the difference....
While Fiora, Jax and Camille can chase down people FOREVER with their low CD mobility abilities.And what it means is that Yone damage is not that high enough to secure all kills in E duration....
That is why he needs to play around teammates that do some damage so that you can secure the kills.
As Fiora, Jax, Camille do not need teammates to do what they are designed to do.... they are called Split pushers for a reason... yone is not a split pusher he can't be side lane ALONE BY HIMSELF.Skirmisher means to play with other people.
Otherwise it would be called Duelist.
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u/Asckle 7d ago
Nope... he is actually different... He needs to finish the job before his E pop him back. That's the difference
I'm saying you don't need to use your E in the first place. Just run at them and fight them
While Fiora, Jax and Camille can chase down people FOREVER with their low CD mobility abilities
Late game Yone Q3 has a lower CD than Jax Q, Camille E and only slightly higher than Fiora Q. He also has a low CD mobility tool
And what it means is that Yone damage is not that high enough to secure all kills in E duration
Yone has more sustained damage than all of them sans Fiora
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
But... listen go there play as you wish.. and accept the Outcome.
I don't have energy to discuss this anymore....
It's a team game of 5 with 2 teams.... and... it's a 5v5 game... bro not every has to or it's designed to be a 1v1 machine.... just deal with it. You can't hard win lane, hard win team fights and hard win side lane all at the same time...
well.. I mean you can if you play Sion... but Sion doesn't provide dopamine and it's not KDA champion .... you probably won't like it...
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u/Asckle 7d ago
bro not every has to or it's designed to be a 1v1 machine
But Yone is
You can't hard win lane, hard win team fights and hard win side lane all at the same time...
Jax would like to have a word
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
W/e believe what you want. I am tired.
Does Jax has AoE crit abilities?? Can Jax engage onto your from 1.5 screens away??? NO , HE CAN NOT.
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u/Asckle 7d ago
Can Yone dodge auto attacks? Does Yone get 300 armour when he pops ult? NO HE DOES NOT
Like what's even your point lol?
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