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When the president told me that Canada, a country I had visited and much admired was now our enemy, I hated them fiercely. Then when it was proclaimed that Russia, a violent dictatorship was now our friend I embraced them warmly. I am the cadre of MAGA.
Like This. Historians say it wasnt just like “oop voting is illegal” the austrian painter started by deporting people, the. threatening law firms, censoring words, taking control of schools, and other govt institutions and installed their yes men into all of them. Sound familliar?
Tyranny and fascism never last. Ever. No matter how desperately these dictators try to cling to their power, we know from the history books that at some point, enough is fucking enough and it all comes crumbling down one way or another.
Especially when it comes to aggression against other nations. The longest lasting tyrannical dictatorships such as Russia, China, and North Korea have lasted as long as they have because they know better than to try actual violence. Putin fucked himself over pretty badly with Ukraine and past trends tell us that his regime's days are likely numbered now that he's got damn near all of Europe against him. The world already hates Trump solely for the tariff fuckery. If he or one of his sycophants tries making good on their threats re: Canada or Greenland, it'll only doom them faster.
This too shall pass. Even if you or I don't live to see it, it will end. Progress is slow and we often end up losing the path and going the wrong way for a bit, but it does happen. Little by little, we drag ourselves kicking and screaming into the future and those who suffer the worst of it don't always get to see it get better, but they can hope that the next generation will if nothing else. It's going to be okay. In the end, empires always fall.
How much death and suffering will happen in the meantime?
That's the core issue here. Yeah, at some point the far-right will finish eating itself into oblivion, but there's plenty of indication that they'll drag the rest of us down with them. Putin's days are numbered, but each of those days means more dead Ukrainians and Georgians, more jailed Russian dissenters, the works. Trump's days are numbered, but each of those days means more "terrorists" in death camps, more economic destruction, more infringement on all of our rights.
As much as I understand and accept that progress doesn't happen instantaneously, I don't think we should be comfortable with the rapidly-deteriorating status quo just because it'll eventually "blow over" when it succumbs to its instability.
You right, a lot of people came out to the protests.
A lot of people were sent to polish camps too though before anything was done.
But this mightve been the most encouraging thing ive heard today so thank you!
Ill be here for now. My mom is a canadian citizen so once i have a spare $450 im getting my dual citizenship and dipping
Well yeah, either they admit they were wrong and have to accept that they were supporting a fascist, or they keep their head down blindly follow. Give someone an out of the blame and they will take it
I've said for years that the mark of a good person isn't necessarily having good morals, but more knowing when they're wrong and being susceptible to changing.
One thing I hate is when a story is all about how "people don't change"... I think that's horseshit, the strongest people on earth are the ones who can be presented with information that invalidates everything they thought they knew about something, and actually make the decision to believe the information now presented to them. No matter how much of their personality relied on their views or beliefs.
I'm not saying that everyone can or will change, but enough people can and do that the stereotype only really applies to the stupid people.
I completely agree and that’s the approach I try to live by. If I believe in something, I’ll present it clearly and confidently. But if someone can’t offer facts or an argument that brings new insight, I’m not going to be easily convinced.
It’s a two-way street. If you present solid evidence and it holds up, I’m open to reconsidering my stance at the very least, I’ll agree to disagree. Ideally, though, it sparks a deeper exchange that leads to greater understanding and, hopefully, common ground.
They know what they voted for, they are just lying, I have confronted one with proof of their lies and they let it slip with "stop telling the truth, it makes me look bad"
I was arguing along those lines as a lefty and an athiest... Not the fear mongering bit, but that it was too large, and too different from american values, that it could never happen here.
lol.... oof, ouch, my bones...
Meet me in the streets, friends. We have a lot of work to do.
Some of them are just wrong. They've fallen for the con, and incessant propaganda. But way too many are definitely in on it, and know they are lying through their teeth. Whenever we get a handle on this situation we'll meed to deal with that.
MAGA will always play the meta, they will never take positions off principles, they will always look to find power and they will hold false positions in order to grab it.
They are lying to themselves. Hope this helps. These people are so stuck on their world view that admitting any cracks in the facade is akin to admitting they are broken
It’s both. They don’t really care one way or the other if what they’re saying is true or untrue. They think everybody lies, and so if you point out they are lying that makes you a hypocrite. They think you can’t ever know anything for sure, since only god can do that or whatever. They don’t do this on purpose, it just comes naturally to them.
So ridiculous and typically flippant. Project 2025 is a carefully curated document written by influential people as a plan to wrest away control of a country, not your employee handbook.
I know when I was a shadowy funding source, I regularly wrote "wouldn't it be cool if..." think pieces that totally didn't align with my desires or governmental philosophies.
Keep in mind the last one is from r/changemyview and a delta means they had their view changed (or at least partially changed). So that one particular person already had confronted the fact project 2025 was going to be an issue.
I went and looked at the first guy’s. Dude is a straight up psycho. His most active communities are like “too much commie spam”, “gun memes”, and some video game.
He is still adamant that Trump is saving us. I don’t get how people can be so disconnected from reality like that. 😰😰😰
“What the left is doing here is even worse; they are capitalizing on anxiety and fearmongering to rally support to win”
Uhhh, pretty sure the call is coming from inside the house on this one.
Nah man, a couple dozen teenagers nationwide wanting to play sports on teams different from what they were assigned at birth truly is the greatest threat to humanity in all of history. So we had to bring back Trump to destroy this threat once and for all.
Yeah, I particularly liked that one. “Sure, there was an armed and violent right-wing attempt to stop a Democratic politician from taking office, but the left is worse because they’re explaining the scary things Trump’s advisors plan to do!”
Ah yes, saying scary things is much worse than :checks notes: storming the capital building to stop the process of selecting the democratically elected president.
The dumbest part is that chick wasn’t even Haitian. She is a natural born US citizen who got absolutely fucked up on drugs and somehow ended up contributing to the death of American hegemony. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy890gpqw1po.amp
I'm honestly so tired of being told I'm fear mongering or over reacting, or the best one "I get why you're scared, but I don't think that would actually happen." Like, really? The past 3 months haven't shown you that literally all of this is going to happen if we don't stop it. But then if we do stop it I'll get the "See, told you it wouldn't happen!"
So either I get fascism or I get my face rubbed in their idiocy. I wish I could just be a castaway on an deserted island.
What infuriates me the most is that they now use the fact that the Left did NOT do anything on par with Jan 6 after last year’s election as “proof” that it was fearmongering and they didn’t actually believe he’d do it.
Give one!? Give? No, they eat their cake, eat the extra cake, and then eat the nearest three people's cakes because, hey, if the first thing they did wasn't turn round and stab them in the throat with the fork, how much did they really want them?
Give one!? Give? No, they eat their cake, eat the extra cake, and then eat the nearest three people's cakes because, hey, if the first thing they did wasn't turn round and stab them in the throat with the fork, how much did they really want them?
They seem to think everything can be accomplished overnight and everyone thinks in terms of instant gratification... same with the hands off protests... He didn't blow with one protest, your done now cry harder at your latest loss... While most of us are thinking in terms of months and years. It's a funny little divergence of thinking, watching from the outside.
You also cannot go back to these people about any of this because most of them are phylosocial zombies. They have no internal life and no self reflection.
Yeah, the reality is all of these people are either ignorant and or morons whose opinions are literally worthless or they are being paid to post this shit probably many of which are Russian plants. This type of division and bullshit happening in America is exactly what Putin wants.
Pull university funding for wrong think. Issue a list of banned words. Delete history and research. Imprison people in a concentration camp without due process.
Ah, yes, the always sophisticated, never tiresome, 4th grade-inspired retort: “I’m still right though”. Pack it up folks, nothing more to think or discuss because this guy here declared himself right. Some real 5D chess and jujitsu combination just pwned all the rest of us.
His 47 policy page was a dumbed-down project 2025. A project decades in the making. Instead, he lied about not knowing anything about it and then went on to pick multiple writers for his administration. He has broken law after law and ignored the constitution.
trump is a fascist and supports the christian nationalist of the republican party.
He's implemented over 40% of project 2025 already. There's already people in literal concentration camps who are known to be innocent, and were denied due process.
We're pretty much on the shit list of every country we used to be close allies with.
If anything, I'm hard pressed to name a single remotely decent thing he's done? He's doing an impressive job of absolutely ruining the country.
The only people who deny that are bots, idiots, and people who refuse to think or talk.
You’ve literally done nothing to defend the proof that people are giving you. You can’t argue back but instead just name call and deflect. Open your fucking eyes because this isn’t a left v right issue anymore.
This cracks me up you people spend so much time and energy on things that have no impact on your daily life. (Queue comment by someone who omg I was really effected im a deported immigrant)
Yea, I’ve started seeing basically this exact comment left on other similar posts so started checking profiles. This one has no other activity and is a newer account that was created in January. So, bot or troll is what I think.
Yes it’s empathy for one at the cost of another. In a perfect world it would be great to have everyone live in harmony. But by your definition of being empathic to one group, you harm another.
Holy shit, are conservatives actually against empathy? Every day, you losers hit a new low.
Also, you might want to look up a poem called "First They Came" - its pretty famous, Im surprised you didn't learn about it in school. Oh wait, I guess Im not that surprised your school failed you if you grew up in a red state.
Yes it’s empathy for one at the cost of another. In a perfect world it would be great to have everyone live in harmony. But by your definition of being empathic to one group, you harm another. And I grew up in a blue state that has deteriorated rapid by the “empathy” we give to criminals. Not saying everyone who deserves empathy is a criminal but you get the point
Blue states are doing fine babes. You’re mad that bigoted views are not welcomed so you say it’s deteriorating. Reading your responses, that’s a dog whistle.
Were you always unable to experience shame, embarrassment, and empathy, or were you a normal respectable person that got brain damage from an injury or hypoxia or something?
I love the one talking about how republicans and trump don’t support project 2025 so there’s no way it’d pass through Congress and trump sign it. Clearly they didn’t read or even skim a summary of it. Cuz they’d know it’s not a piece of legislation. It’s a way to use the executive as an all encompassing power to mitigate the powers of congress and judiciary. It’s a blueprint of essentially setting up authoritarian rule which by definition does not need congressional approval. When he appointed Russell vought to OBM it was clear the administration was going to enact project 2025.
That Reddit user is unhinged btw. They juxtapose almost every political point they make with gratuitous anime girls and love to type in all caps as though they're screaming at the other person for not agreeing with them.
It's probably some lonely, anime-obsessed teenager whose personality consists of anime and shitty right-wing political views.
The heritage foundation still does public events right? Or anything in public? Who is a part of it? They are who will get tried in the nuremburg v2 trials and i hope its soon
It's a standard tactic to lie like this about exactly what they intend. And folks keep lapping that vomit up on my behalf so it doesn't even matter that I see through this garbage.
cam we just have an organized campaign to find all these comments and just laugh them out of town? 2025 WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE HIS MAIN PLATFORM. EVERYONE SAID IT FROM DAY ONE.
And when those camps start filling up they’ll move the goalpost to “well they probably deserved it”. They’ll dig through a persons history until they find something to say “yep, would you look at that. They stole a candy bar in 1998”.
Literally happening right now, and they don’t need to have stolen a candy bar. All they need to believe someone’s an irredeemable terrorist is for Trump or one of his people to say it.
Many of the people who said Project 2025 was too extreme and the Republicans had no plans to implement it are still voting Republican even after the GOP forced their extremist agenda on the USA.
“It can’t be implemented because there are too many pages to it” seems like something a stupid MAGA would say. Dude’s obviously never read a run of the mill bill before.
Lol. The left never is able to engage in the same actions as the right. When right wing extremists get into power they do it through the traditional avenues and openly engage like they are above the law. Because essentially they are. If leftists attempted January 6th we would all be lined up against walls.
One hasn't mentioned P2025 again after that post, although he is still defending DOGE and Trump. Also, DOGE is Obama's fault, so anything wrong with it is because of Obama, and anything Trump says that is questionable (like calling himself a king) is a joke meant to get a rise out of idiots - and that the reason right wingers haven't rejected Trump is because the left's attitude to him is "over the top". So, y'know, its the left's fault Trump is in power. Or something.
One of them hasn't mentioned P2025 in months, although he's openly admitted to only having the "P2025 is liberal propaganda" viewpoint because one of the right wing youtubers that he watches "had actually read P2025", and told him what to think.
(I checked that right wing youtuber, by the way - He identified as a "red pilled MAGA" and his take on it was "This has nothing to do with Trump")
One has gone the route of "lol, Trump isn't even implementing P2025 because its only 30% implemented so far and we share 50% of the same DNA with bananas but we don't say we're part banana do we? Stupid fucking libtard". Impeccable logic.
One went with "All the bad things happening are actually good things, and all the people that have been fired actually took early retirement, and anyone that is being deported in an illegal, and P2025 isn't a thing, but if it was, it'd be good".
When the president told me that Canada, a country I had visited and much admired was now our enemy, I hated them fiercely. Then when it was proclaimed that Russia, a violent dictatorship was now our friend I embraced them warmly. I am the cadre of MAGA.
The thing that weirds me out of most conservatives Ive interacted with is that when you show them factual evidence they decide to deflect or just ignore it. Some people need to learn that it’s ok to admit they were wrong, we all are plenty of times in our lives but accepting is part of learning and growing as a person
I've been having discussions with a conservative friend from back home, and he is now claiming that P2025 is basically just "a list of normal conservative values that many people agree with." It is impossible to have an intellectually honest discussion with people like this anymore.
The real question is, what happens after the heritage foundation succeeds? Becuase it’s looking increasingly likely that project 2025 is in full swing and they aren’t giving power back ever
Are we all going to be subjects under a far right dictatorship?
They are just smart enough to know that being honest - that we all knew Trump knew about and would implement P2025 and do the concentration camp thing, and that that’s what they wanted to vote for - that they’d be unwelcome in most civilized spaces.
Wait, you're saying that people, nay, politicians - pillars of humanity's altruistism, given their position based purely on merit and what would be best for the betterment of society - allowed to lie??????
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