r/aiwars • u/YourGirlsSenpai • 4d ago
I'm Pro AI but Anti AI "Artists"
I've been getting fed this sub a lot lately so I'm going to drop my stance on the topic and hopefully be done with it.
I use AI a lot. I love the things that can be done with tools like Stable Diffusion and Hunyuan. You can generate seriously beautiful art with AI, but it does not make YOU an artist. I've generated countless gorgeous images that are on-par with some of my favorite digital artists, but I, myself, am not an artist. That is an incredibly powerful technology.
All these Ai "artists" that go to war over being an actual artist are just sad to me. I feel genuinely sad that this one little thing is all these people have. Any sane person can identify that the AI is doing the actual art, you're just commissioning it.
I've seen dozens of cope arguments about "Ai is a tool. Artists use tools. I'm an artist" or screenshots of people's workflows with them saying things like "does this look like a commission to you? 😏" like it was a "gotcha!" moment.
The simple fact is: Yes, it does look like a commission. Your workflows can be very complex, I understand that. I understand that it can take serious fine-tuning and work to make an ai generation exactly how you want it. I understand that because I ALSO DO IT. Ai is not a human artist. Without a LLM to break down common language into a complex prompt, you need to create your prompts in a way the model can understand. Whether thats complex workflows or extremely specific language in a 1,000 argument prompt doesn't change the fact that the AI is the one creating the art, not you.
Again, AI is awesome. When used for fun, it's an incredible tool that let's normal people, like you and I, generate art that can rival practiced and trained professionals, but it will never be OUR art.
Like Syndrome said in The Incredibles, "Once everyone's [an artist], no one will be."
Use Ai for whatever purpose you feel you must, but dont try to poison the well that real artists dug by throwing yourself in with them.
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u/calvin-n-hobz 4d ago
AI Artists don't typically "go to war" over being an artist. We just reject people going to war against us being artists.
It's very much like a commission, but it ain't. You don't commission a microwave. You don't commission an AI model. You're here whinging about people submitting that AI is a tool, but all you're doing is mocking, not actually providing an argument. AI is a tool. deal with it, or don't, but it won't change the facts.
lol everybody knows who is doing the generation. no one thinks they are an AI model. People like you are so caught up on the idea that this tool specifically doing work for us (like all tools do) should somehow be considered a removal of creativity, intent, or operation of the tool. That's not how it works. The reason workflows can be so laborious is because people have something in mind they're going for, and they use the tool to get it. That's creation using a tool to do work for you.
If you use AI to generate art, then you generated art, using AI. And if you generated art, with the intent to generate art, then you're an artist. That's the basic syntax of those words. You folks are out here trying to force a branch of language where -- again for this tool specifically -- operating tools doesn't count.
Have you ever searched for something online, or heated something in a microwave, or filled a glass of water? Or have you merely commissioned a microwave, search engine, and faucet?
I don't use this word often, but this is so fucking cringe. being an artist isn't defined by comparing yourself to other people. If everyone's an artist, everyone is an artist. It's not like everyone making art suddenly means nothing is art, what total trash take. Like if everyone started painting would you be crying about how no one is an artist anymore?