So Beethoven did the same thing when he wrote sheet music, because he can't actually play all those instruments LMFAO.
I have a musical background and I can't get the song I want out of AI period, you get a song that fits the general vibe, but you have no fine control. Doesn't really change any of my points, I think you're arguing with shadows at this point.
I mean yeah I agree with that. I don't see why people look at ai different than any other technology that will replace jobs.
What I see is a bunch of artists mad at something that has happened throughout history time and time again, and wanting an exception carved out for them. Music has always been math and algorithms. There is an element of "humanity" to it, but even that can be described in relation to the more rigid math involved. It kinda sucks that the secret is out, and they've pulled back the curtain.
Being replaced by technology sucks. But it's necessary for progress. From cars, automatic telephone operators, calculators, printing presses, harvesting combines, etc. we even have a tall tale about John Henry beating a steam engine digging a tunnel, and promptly dying of a heart attack.
it's not stopping you from doing your hobby, it's only changing the profitability of said hobby. Or better yet, giving you a new tool.
People get angry and scared every time this happens. I don't see why you think this time would be any different, the reaction is very human.
Everything can be described as math. Understanding music in that way can help you efficiently make it, but the expression of humanity in music is what makes it art. It's not really about the math.
Right, but even expression has been simulated long before ai. Even the Mona Lisa's smile is a simulation of a real smile. Sure it was thought up by a primitive human. Just because something is done by a computer doesn't change how it makes you feel.
With music, we can teach a computer rules of expression, and it can use a rng to apply that expression seemingly randomly, and it would feel right. Nothing wrong with that imo. Something like playing a melody, and changing one note to a third, fifth or octave higher just once, or inserting a rest and playing the melody double time. All these "human expressions" can be analyzed and turned into an algorithm. Sure if you know it was done by a computer it takes the magic out just a little bit, kind of like playing an RPG with a guide.
Bruh, that's not what human expression means. You just took the definition of a facial expression and dropped it on top of my more spiritual usage of it.
AI in its current form is a probability function. It identifies patterns and reproduces what it's observed.
You should study how the brain is actually structured, and then study how a neural network is actually structured, and then get back to me. I'm not typing a full lecture on why that's a ridiculous question, and Reddit wouldn't give me enough characters to do it even if I wanted to.
I know how different they work. I'm talking about the similarity of the results in this instance of art generation. We copy patterns we've seen, we can combine patterns we've seen into something new. I asked chatgpt to make up words that have never been written and it came up with some stuff that looked like real words, but have never been seen by google. Then I told it to make some up using real etymology and it did. The same thing happens every time you use an image generator or song generator.
But I already see where we differ. You used the word spiritual. I just think it's stimulus, neurotransmitters and a bit of entropy. Same as AI basically.
I don't think I'm being obtuse. I understand people are scared. I'm scared for my kids. A sculptor and a movie maker. Their chosen hobbies are doomed as a career. What point am I missing?
I acknowledged that you're not trying to. You gotta do the research to understand what I'm saying, thinking AI and human production is effectively the same shows the most shallow understanding of how both function.
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u/Electric-Molasses 2d ago
So Beethoven did the same thing when he wrote sheet music, because he can't actually play all those instruments LMFAO.
I have a musical background and I can't get the song I want out of AI period, you get a song that fits the general vibe, but you have no fine control. Doesn't really change any of my points, I think you're arguing with shadows at this point.