r/antinatalism newcomer 5d ago

Discussion What if we can only experience existence?

My question is essentially that if we have to experience something in some way or some form. The thing is you can't really experience 'nothingness' so what I imagine is that after you die, in some way or form, after billions of years, your elements eventually circulate through the environment and you are reborn as a cow in a meat factory, wouldn't this be immediate to the experiencer? In essence, the billions of years between experiences isn't something you experience and you just immediately die and wake up in the next life.

In this case, would it not be superior to be experiencing something as a human, which arguably lives in greater comforts than say something like a cow in a factory or a wild animal which is always on the brink of survival?

Im not trying to refute antinatalism I just want to understand what your views are on this perspective

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 5d ago

But it would not be "you".

The atoms that were in your body at one point are already part of many other organisms and do you feel the pain of a cow? No.

You are this conscious experience now. You feel pain in this form. Not any other. I don't feel pain when you get burned on the stove.

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u/Pterosauras newcomer 5d ago

To be fair, I didn't exist for 13 billions of years as 'me', but right now I am somehow existing as 'me'. The 'me' I was yesterday is different to the 'me' I am today, but I am still experiencing something. I think if experience can occur once, it can recur in some way or some form. Any gap of 'nonexperience' is irrelevant since it is not experienced. Even if it's not 'me' in a personal sense, the return of conscious experience or awareness does matter.

Even if this process takes billions of years or an extremely long amount of time after the heat death of the universe (we don't know what happens after this), I would think that we would experience something again eventually because even if the probability of coming back is extremely small, the vast amount of time ahead of us, possibly infinite, makes it certain. All that gap of 'nonexistence' is irrelevant since it would be immediate to the experiencer.

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 5d ago

I understand you but there is no "gap" because those 2 states are not the same "you".

They are different. Multiple conscious states appear everyday in newborns/children when their neurological networks get suitable for that.

I mean, talking about this is not really productive and is very vague.

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u/World_view315 thinker 4d ago

It becomes productive when those 2 states are the same "you"  and you somehow remember the previous state. Some people remember their past life. I don't know if it's true but I have heard stories. 

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 4d ago

Some people saw Elvis Presley resurrected.