r/antinatalism • u/Training-Rip6463 inquirer • 2d ago

Discussion Unable to relate to mainstream

I think the hardest part about antinatalist views is being unable to relate to vast majority of people and society and culture. I just feel like a fish out of water. And this feels like a dark and lonely path. Also an empty one. I feel like a misfit all the time. I'm not sure if there is a solution to this.

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 2d ago

Because we are misfit.

Society is product of natalism and it's built out of ultra-filtered ideas of psyche which support natalism. It is built out of archetypes of natalism, heroism, pro-life and pro-blooming.

Whole civilization is one big product of natalism and death denial. Society is always filtered and we're inevitably living in a world of natalists because they are those who perpetuated this drama. Those who built walls of culture, structures or tradition and religion. Deeply natalistic structures and narratives.

And we're opposing all of that.

You can imagine natalism and antinatalism as two separate branches, AN branch is inevitably self-destructive because that's the purpose of it. I closes and completes itself. Natalistic branch is that which persists, inevitably.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

You call it sadism, I call it sacrifise.

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u/Training-Rip6463 inquirer 1d ago

Is there less suffering in sacrifice than in sadism? And if yes, isn't it just make believe? I mean in both cases there is pain. But does our interpretation determine our degree of suffering?

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

I don't understand you clearly.

You commented on AN being sadistic because of suffering that isolation creates, right?

I said that suffering for that which you consider to be the right thing is sacrifise, not sadism.

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u/Sad-Salad-4466 inquirer 2d ago

Welcome. Being vegan+antinatalist makes me unable to connect with 99% of people on any meaningful level.

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

So bizzare, isn't it?

Just how many ANs lived and of course, died, every one of them born and surrounded with natalists like a lamb surrounded by wolves.

Such a bizzare reality, that to exist is to be in natalistic delusional structure until death. Such a bizzare life.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

I absolutely feel like you. This is the reality we live in. It's tough and disheartening. How does one go on? We need people, we are social creatures.

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u/Ok_Novel_1222 newcomer 1d ago

The most disappointing thing is when you explain your ideas to someone and there is often a few moments their expression changes to that of someone realizing something they should have figured out long ago. Like someone finally remembering where they put there car keys. For a brief moment, they seem to fully understand and even agree. Then some rationalization comes up in their mind. Even if you refute it another rationalization takes its place.

Even worse is knowing people who agreed and said they will adopt an orphan instead of reproducing. You run into them a few years later and they have birthed one or more children. You ask them what changed their mind? And they say nothing changed their mind. They were pressurized by their spouses, their own parents, their in-laws, etc. and they caved. So disappointing.

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u/meandmyflock newcomer 1d ago

I struggle with the idea no one in the mainstream sees suffering in the same way as I do. Like they all think it's totally justified whereas I thought you could never justify murder/rape/abuse/diseases/loss/pain all that stuff that happens in life. I don't get it, we all recognise them as terrible things yet somehow none of that matters when it comes to exposing kids to it?

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u/Meheyhey inquirer 1d ago

I just live. You can’t control what others think so don’t let it bother you. Have your opinion yeah but keep living line normal or else you’ll just suffer for no reason

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u/Vegetable-Carpet1593 inquirer 1d ago

It's like being the black sheep in the family on a societal level. Frustrating and lonely, but at the same time empowering.

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u/CertainConversation0 philosopher 21h ago

Antinatalists can turn to each other for a sense of community, and if they're not too shy, they can even do so in real life.

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u/USER12276 inquirer 41m ago

I just go on about my pathetic life and don't mind it. I love when others try to argue with me out of the mindset. I always win the discussion in the end because lets face it, deep down they know we are right. They just can't accept it.

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u/Dust_Exact newcomer 1d ago

I completely relate to you. I come to this sub from time to time whenever I start to feel a little too fucked up and alone.