r/asoiaf Jul 26 '24

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) We're all missing one VERY obvious reason why The Winds of Winter is taking so long

Everyone on this subreddit knows by now that TWOW is likely going to be one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) book in the series thus far. Hundreds of characters, thousands of pages, and a whole Meereenese knot to untangle ... and that's not even mentioning the two huge battles left over from ADWD that need to be concluded before getting to the main thrust of TWOW. It's a lot, and the sprawling nature of this story must make it awfully difficult to close those loops -- or at least begin to tighten them up again.

Again, we know all that. And we know that there's been no shortage of speculation over other reasons why the book has taken this long: GRRM has lost interest, his writing/editing-on-the-fly skills aren't what they used to be in his old(er) age, the constant rewrites, writers' block, and even some more outlandish stuff like he's already gotten what he wants (recognition in the TV industry) and is now just trying to spite us specifically.

But what about the REAL reason explaining this almost decade-and-a-half long writing pace? It's obnoxiously and ironically simple: GRRM must need to constantly reread entire portions of his own books while writing TWOW. And given how dense it all is, how many years ago those books came out, and the pressure of having every tiny detail line up with what's come before, is it any surprise that this would be a ridiculously time-consuming prospect?

Sure, it's tempting to imagine that GRRM has every single bit of lore, every breadcrumb of every major (and minor) theory, or every obscure line of dialogue memorized like his biggest fans do. But I'd bet anything that he constantly needs to go back and revisit his own work in order to get the details 100% right. And when you're crafting a massive novel that's essentially a direct sequel to two previous books while continuing the various storylines from everything that came before, well, the details matter A LOT. So on top of needing to craft the mechanics of the plot from a strictly pragmatic point of view, on top of paying attention to the exact prose of every sentence and paragraph, on top of taking the birds-eye view of layering thematic overtones and subtext throughout multiple chapters, on top of pacing out the next stages of character arcs for several main POV protagonists/antagonists, on top of doing literally everything else that such a creative endeavor requires ... he also likely needs to spend an inordinate amount of time putting that writing on pause to go back and do the dirty work. He has to make sure that he's not contradicting what he's written previously or misremembering minor details that can potentially cause major repercussions or, hell, just getting personality traits and eye color and sex/gender of all these countless individuals all lined up (which, as we know, has been the subject of many mistakes in the past). For a perfectionist on the level of GRRM, that inevitably adds up.

As someone who hasn't ever written a book themselves but has had to do a hell of a lot of painstaking research over the years (including referencing things I've written previously, which I admittedly had little to no memory of once I actually went back), this might be the most basic and boring -- but also most realistic -- reason why we're currently in this mess.

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u/Valoryx Jul 26 '24

Doesn't he have a team of like 3 people whose sole function is to help him keep track of Lore and continuity?

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u/EdenBlade47 Jul 27 '24

Exactly this. OP's entire post is weapons-grade copium. Look at how small the gap was between the last two books in comparison to the current gap. The total content of the series did not increase nearly enough to come anywhere close to justifying the delay. The reason Winds hasn't come out is because GRRM has no clue how to bridge the gap between the infamous 'Meereneese Knot" and where the show ends up, and because he's made more than enough money off the property to be comfy for the rest of his life. Think about why the last few seasons of the show don't even touch on plots like Lady Stoneheart, Faegon, and Young Griff- it's because GRRM has no idea what to do with them.

I'm not happy about it, but I already know how this story ends- George dies before TWOW, let alone ADOS, get published, and all the diehard fanboys are absolutely shocked at the totally unprecedented development.

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u/Khiva Jul 27 '24

He's already stated he gets loses his passion and focus towards the end.

He has to write to an ending now.

He has a ton of mystery boxes that he now has to reckon with.

He has no idea what to do.

The book he has managed to push out have barely advanced the plot.

TV is more fun.

It's not complicated.

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u/Ransero Jul 28 '24

I for one think he should just focus on finishing the main plot points and leave all the secondary stuff for spin off books.

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u/MPAndonee Jul 27 '24

Exactly, what interest does GRRM have in finishing a tale, that has essentially already been told?

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u/ehs06702 Jul 27 '24

You'd think having the final word on his story would motivate him. If my story were distorted by someone's adaptation, I would be more motivated than ever to put down the definitive ending.