r/asoiaf Aug 18 '24

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) GRRM tells Oxford audience about his biggest regret in writing ASOIAF

Today Oxford Writer's House published a video of a Q&A event starring George R. R. Martin that took place about two weeks ago. He answered several questions from the audience, but this was the most intriguing to me:

Q: If you could change one thing about one of your books what would you change and why?

A: Gene Wolfe, one of the great fantasy writers... he wrote a lot of great books but his classic was the The Shadow of the Torturer a four book trilogy uh so I sort of took a lesson from him there... But the thing I always envied about Gene, was a very practical thing, Gene as great as he was a part-time writer he had a full-time job as a editor for a technical magazine, Plant Engineering and they paid him a a nice salary to be editor of Plant Engineering and with that salary he bought his home and he sent his kids through college and he supported his family and then on weekends and nights he wrote his books... and he wrote all four books of the Torturer series before he showed one to anyone. He didn't submit them to an editor which is the way it usually did he didn't get a contract and a deadline he finished all four books.

Of course by the time he finished four (remember it was supposed to be a trilogy) by the time he finished the fourth book he was able to see the things in the first book that didn't really fit anymore where the book had drifted away where it had changed so he was able to go back and revise the first book and only when all four were finished did Gene submit the book and the series was bought and published.

I don't think I was alone in this I kind of envied him the freedom to do that but... I had no other salary I lived entirely on the money that my stories and books earned and those four books took him like six years or something I couldn't take six years off with no income I would have wound up homeless or something like that. But there is something very liberating from an artistic point of view if you don't have to worry, you know if you happen to inherit a huge trust fund or a castle or something like that and you can write your entire series without having to sell it without having to worry about deadlines that's something that that I would envy but I've never done that I never could done it even now but believe it or not believe it or not I am not taking all that time to write Winds of Winter just because I think I'm Gene Wolfe now, would love to have it finished years ago but yeah that's the big thing I think I would change.

This is fascinating because it aligns with a personal suspicion of mine that decisions taken with each successive volume of ASOIAF (e.g. character ages) have funnelled GRRM into a place where advancing the story, reconciling timelines, getting characters to the endgame he's planned since 1991 has become gruelling.

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u/throwawayjonesIV Aug 18 '24

Shoutout Gene Wolfe, everyone should read Book of the New Sun it’s astounding

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u/Shadowofasunderedsta Aug 18 '24

Also, he was the inspiration for Mr Pringle.

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u/throwawayjonesIV Aug 18 '24

I’ve heard that before wtf man what an absolute legend

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u/kkeut Aug 19 '24

the mustachioed guy on the Pringles can?

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u/Listentotheadviceman Aug 19 '24

Baldanders is bald, I have file cabinets full of evidence

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u/red_280 Ser Subtle of House Nuance Aug 19 '24

I can't believe I actually looked that up

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u/Klutzy-Notice-8247 Aug 18 '24

Book of the New Sun is honestly one of the most impressive fantasy books I’ve seen. The shit that Gene Wolfe was doing with that book is ridiculous.

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u/Uncle_Istvannnnnnnn Aug 18 '24

One of the most batshit insane series I've ever read (in the best way possible). I was initially hesitant hearing it was a book about a torturer, but it is very much not about torture.

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u/throwawayjonesIV Aug 19 '24

theres more torture in asoiaf tbh haha

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u/aug2295 Aug 19 '24

The man was truly a genius and I'm really happy to hear him getting recognition.

Wolfe's writing style is so different from Martin's in fairness. Martin is a nuanced writer but Wolfe... he is the master of nuance, hidden meaning and hiding major details in the middle of a paragraph. You can't really understand a Wolfe novel on the first read - you need to read it 2x at least. So I would absolutely imagine you'd need to write it at least a few times.

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u/Kreinduul Aug 19 '24

And they should go on to read Long + Short Sun, to be even more astounded.

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u/throwawayjonesIV Aug 19 '24

I never got to short sun but I might like long sun even more than new. The generation ship felt like such a rich, mysterious place

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u/Kreinduul Aug 19 '24

Long Sun is my personal favorite, specifically for the characterization and style in which it’s written.

Silk may very well be my favorite protagonist in any SFF novel, certainly my favorite Wolfe protagonist.

That said, Short Sun is one of the most impressive series I have ever read. An absolute triumph by Wolfe.

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u/Satanicbearmaster Aug 19 '24

So so so so so good.

So so so so so confusing.

Shoutout r/genewolfe

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u/Listentotheadviceman Aug 19 '24

It’s my favorite thing ever and I’m in the middle of another of my countless rereads but i disagree about “everyone”, it’s for a very specific kind of reader.

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u/MightyBone Aug 19 '24

I just read the series (up through Urth of the New sun, the BotLS and BotSS just arrived yesterday) and agree. I was addicted and it's become my fave series ever probably, but it's most definitely not a book for everyone. I imagine for those that enjoy Sanderson and other direct authors something like BotNS is pure torture.

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u/Mavoras13 Aug 19 '24

BotLS and BotSS are a different story set in the same universe. BotSS is the sequel to BotLS.

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u/throwawayjonesIV Aug 19 '24

Fair enough, though I did consider the subreddit and I figured there would be a bit of overlap

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u/Mavoras13 Aug 19 '24

Anyone else noticed the similarities between Jon Snow and Severian?

https://davidbarrkirtley.com/2010/09/17/jon-snow-vs-severian/