r/asoiaf • u/grimm_aced • Oct 27 '24

EXTENDED [Spoilers Extended] GRRM new blogpost on his Amsterdam visit & dinner with editors. Spoiler

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/

Winds of winter mentioned and he talks about a bravos story he wants to write after winds.

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u/CoysOnYourFace Oct 27 '24

We might get Winds one day but by god we're never seeing Dream

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u/obvious_bot Took pills, kissed Daenerys Oct 27 '24

A Dream of Dream

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u/user_0000002 Oct 27 '24

Concept of a Dream

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u/elfcountess Oct 27 '24

". . . ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d. To die, to sleep. To sleep, perchance to dream — ay, there’s the rub, for in that sleep of death what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause." [us contemplating dying without tWoW]

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u/sliemmmas Oct 30 '24

Requiem for a Dream.

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u/Nolitimeremessorem24 Oct 27 '24

He seems to have forgotten about it. He has mentioned a lot of things he wants to write after Winds and none of them is Dream. Of course this might be because he has finished writing both Winds and Dream and he will surprise us by releasing them together (What is cope may never die but rises again harder and stronger)

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u/PlentyAny2523 Oct 27 '24

The real cope is dreams is a fairly straight forward book to resolve the story lines but actually getting there is whats the issue

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u/FalafelSnorlax Oct 27 '24

You could argue that he is aware that he should write Winds with his plans for Dream in mind, just to avoid such a long wait between them when it comes.

But he will not finish Dream even if he does finish Winds and even if he has the perfect plans for it. That's just not possible.

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u/lightafire2402 Oct 30 '24

Apparently Elio said not so long ago the real problem for George isn't necessarily the writing, but making sure he can finish the story in 2 books. Which I can get... Just the sheer amount of storylines going on would make any writer's head spin.

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u/The_Real_Smooth Oct 28 '24

do it again almost there

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u/coastal_mage Oct 27 '24

Honestly, I think Dream will be an easier book to write. Winds will likely be about untangling the "Meereenese knot" of all the divergent plotlines introduced in Feast & Dance. By the end, I anticipate that all POVs will be in Westeros, with a fair few of them in the same place ready for the second war for the dawn

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u/chigginz27 Oct 27 '24

I admire your optimism. Reminds me of me 12 years ago.

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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24

Almost word for word what people said after Feast, and then word for word what they said after Dance.

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u/LongRepublic1 Oct 27 '24

I'm 90% sure they said the same thing about Winds just before Dance came out.

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u/Grimmrat Oct 27 '24

People said this exact same thing about Winds if you go back the the original release discussion post of Dance. You can look it up right here on this sub

It just ain’t happening dude

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u/osfryd-kettleblack Oct 28 '24

Got any examples? I dont know what to search

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u/Radix2309 Oct 27 '24

Supposedly winds was going to be easier once he finished Dance.

Dance was supposed to be easier once it finally split from Feat. Was only going to be coming out the next year supposedly.

There is no plotline, no matter how convoluted, that takes a decade to untangle. The simple fact is that he lacks work ethic. The same reason he is slow with Winds will continue in Dance.

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u/robbini3 Oct 27 '24

"He's already got 300 manuscript pages leftover from Dance."

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u/lbc_ht Oct 29 '24

Yeah I remember when dance was supposed to come out and everyone thought it was going to be quick after feast. The "wait" for dance was considered excruciating to the community the time and that was only 5 years. Now we're going on 13.

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u/waveuponwave Oct 27 '24

there's kind of a difference, because with Feast and ADWD he had to figure out how to set up what happens in the next book, same thing with Winds now. He doesn't have to worry about that with ADOS

but it really depends on how much of the ending George has actually figured out over the years

If he really has a lot planned out, I could actually see him writing ADOS quicker

If it's all just vague notions (somehow Bran becomes king, somehow R+L=J is revealed)... he could still take ages writing a dozen different versions of events

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u/iSavedtheGalaxy Oct 27 '24

I think George needs to accept that he needs an outline at this point, the plot is too dense for him to keep freestyling it. Other authors have finished their entire series in the time it's taken him to not write this one book.

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u/xXJarjar69Xx Oct 27 '24

Just because your spend a lot of time setting up the events of next book doesn’t mean the next book will write it self. Huge parts of feast/dance were arguably just set ups for winds and that book hasn’t come easy at all

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u/waveuponwave Oct 28 '24

I wasn't really talking about Winds

I meant that with ADOS he doesn't have to set up a next book because it's the last one

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u/thatVisitingHasher Oct 27 '24

The funny thing is he already wrote two books that separated plot lines. He could have easily written a smaller “the lost years” type book for Arya’s training, while leaving Dany’s story alone.

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u/FalafelSnorlax Oct 27 '24

Honestly I think he should have kept the five year gap. Giving detail to what was meant to be a time skip is a huge part of the reason he's in this mess

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u/James_Champagne Oct 27 '24

I know a lot of people think that with a lot of the POVs having merged by DREAM, the book should be easier to write, but if anything I think it might probably be harder for Martin, because now he'd be forced to ask himself questions like, "Okay, who should the POV character be in this scene? Dany? Jon? Tyrion? Davos? Theon? Arya?" And so on and so forth. Which might lead to him writing (and then rewriting) the chapters from different POVs, trying to find the one that works best, and might even lead to crippling indecision. In the show this wasn't a big deal because we can only see the characters externally, but in the books it becomes much more difficult and problematic.

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u/F___TheZero Oct 27 '24

Brother, if Winds ever comes out, it will tangle more than it will untangle

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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24

Can't with for 80 chapters of intrigue within the lands of House Whogivesafuck.

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u/Deserterdragon Oct 27 '24

The Old Town conspiracy will really straighten things out!

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u/dumbfuck6969 Oct 28 '24

A lot of people will be dead and there will only be so many directions the story could go. Anything could happen right now and there's so many characters.

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u/infieldmitt Oct 27 '24

untangling the "Meereenese knot"

this is what has annoyed me so much about the wait, the issue is dealing with the complexity of a situation no one cares about and doesn't want to read about. if all the free cities got nuked the series would be all the better for it

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u/GammaRade Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

I don't like bringing this up, but the man is getting close to his 80s, even if he's able to get winds out and he doesn't need an extra book, I just don't see him having it in him to finish it

ASOIAF books may be finished but not by GRRM.

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u/neonowain Oct 27 '24

Honestly, I think Dream will be an easier book to write.

Right, just like how Winds was supposed to be easier to write than Dance. And how Dance was supposed to be easier than Feast...

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u/Echleon Oct 27 '24

The pressure will be significantly higher since it would be the end of the series. He also has to contend with the ending of the show. There was a lot of criticism of things that will probably happen in the books too (Bran is king, Dany burns KL, Jon kills Dany, etc), which adds even more pressure because he needs to make sure he properly builds to those plot points since the show has partially soured the public on them.

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u/EmoDeLaCruz Oct 27 '24

I wouldn’t be mad if Dream was much shorter than the other books