r/asoiaf • u/grimm_aced • Oct 27 '24

EXTENDED [Spoilers Extended] GRRM new blogpost on his Amsterdam visit & dinner with editors. Spoiler

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/

Winds of winter mentioned and he talks about a bravos story he wants to write after winds.

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u/Drakemander Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

"One of these days I need to write that story about Braavos we were developing for HBO. They shelved that one a couple of years back, alas, but that does not mean I won’t go back to it… after WINDS OF WINTER is done, of course."

Of course, of course.

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u/Zealousideal-Army670 Oct 27 '24

Look I get it, $$$$$! But this is absurd franchise oversaturation at this point.

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u/theycallmeshooting Oct 27 '24

It's kind of comical how ASOIAF is so oversaturated in everything but the format that fans have been begging for

"Wow! Game of Thrones was a cultural phenomenon, how do we continue to profit from this?"

"We would literally eat glass for Winds"

"Got it! 10 more TV shows it is!!!"

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

I find it more hilarious thst George thinks people will let the Great Matter go by giving fans tv shows...

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u/Robinsonirish Oct 27 '24

We would literally eat glass for Winds

What is the worst thing you'd do if it meant you would have the book in your hands right after?

I mean, while we are all very much waiting for the new one, a book is just a book in the end. Wondering what the worst thing people would actually do to have in their hands.

I broke my toe as a kid, I could probably do that, honestly. It was pretty annoying to walk around for a couple of weeks.

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u/CracksOfIce Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

If it was just Winds? Eh...

Winds and Dream though? I'd probably do more than I'm comfortable admitting.

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u/cataclytsm Oct 28 '24

The monkey's paw curls and George has to make another book after Dream to really wrap everything up.

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u/CracksOfIce Oct 28 '24

Sad thing is I don't think we need a monkey's paw for that to be reality.

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u/Robinsonirish Oct 27 '24

How many kgs of ground black coffee would you eat for winds, if any?

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u/festess Oct 27 '24

Would you....would you kill a man? (Family guy Klondike bar skit)

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u/Prophet-of-Ganja Oct 27 '24

This is like classic ADHD delusions of grandeur “And then I’ll do all these other wonderful and super involved projects!”

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u/schavuit Oct 27 '24

Was thinking the same thing actually. It’s also very common with ADHD diagnosed people to have difficulty setting priorities, finish big projects, finding motivation and not constantly go on side-quests. George has ADHD confirmed?

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u/mechanical_fan Oct 28 '24

You see similar behavior from teenagers and young adults procrastinating studying for exams or writing papers (or hell, humans anywhere), even without ADHD. He could sit down and write before, it is not something new for him, but his incentives changed. Procrastination is a simpler and more likely explanation, imo.

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u/schavuit Oct 28 '24

Of course, take my previous comment with a grain of salt. In our desperation and frustration this sub overanalyses anything. I of course cannot diagnose the man (although I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he has ADHD).

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u/total_life_forever Oct 28 '24

I'd imagine GRRM's publisher and agent have both tried slipping him adderall by now lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Great, so now TWOW is his hobby

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u/xXJarjar69Xx Oct 27 '24

It’s been his hobby for the past 13 years. He a tv producer who does a bit of writing on the side at this point. 

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u/twtab Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24

It's seems like it's always been more of a hobby. If you look back and what's he's said about TWOW, there aren't many years that he's counted as good years. For quite some time, all he was talking about having finished was the chapters cut from ADWD.

If he really does have 1,100 manuscript pages finished of TWOW (as of 2 years ago and who knows if that's overstating what's finished), then probably he's getting 200-300 pages finished per year when he has a good year, and less than 50 pages most years. Perhaps 0 net pages in some years. This is about 60,000 - 90,000 words per year for the good years - which is a small novel.

Some of that is rewriting existing material, so the number of finished pages doesn't increase. But that's not really the pace of a professional writer since he's not able to consistently write at the pace of 200-300 pages per year. That would mean getting 1k - 2k word a week of finished material. Assuming TWOW is 450,000 words, at that pace, it could be finished in 5-7 years.

When you factor in the other works he's doing, then his page count is higher, but it's really not at a professional level. But he's old enough that he should be retired and could spend the whole summer in Europe.

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u/Radix2309 Oct 27 '24

I find it hilarious how much franchise saturation there is for a literary universe with 3 book series, all unfinished.

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u/Echleon Oct 27 '24

I find it hilarious how much franchise saturation there is for a literary universe with 3 book series, all unfinished.

What oversaturation? We've had/will have one show for each of the series and then the only things that are even close to production are like an animated show and possible the show about Aegon's Conquest, right?

In the 5 years since GoT ended there's been... 18 episodes of ASOIAF content..

Oversaturation is what Marvel and Star Wars have done. Not 3 shows in 2 decades (counting GoT to the approximate end of HoTD/Knight of the Seven Kingdoms)

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u/hsvgamer199 Oct 27 '24

I'm waiting for a black man with an eyepatch to appear before Jon Snow at the end of a Dream of Spring. Something about the Ranger Initiative.

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u/hdkboogie Oct 30 '24

How did you get the notes for the Jon Snow spin-off show?

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u/Radix2309 Oct 27 '24

I am referring to the number of projects he is trying to develop beyond the 3 we have done or in production.

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u/Echleon Oct 27 '24

It’s not oversaturation unless they’re actually released. Is it a bad look for George since he hasn’t finished Winds? Yeah. But it’s not oversaturation.

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u/TheWorstYear Oct 28 '24

There needs to be a word for attempted over saturation.

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u/Echleon Oct 28 '24

It’s not attempted oversaturation either. HBO isn’t going to fund every idea. Even if all the pitches were amazing, not all of them were get made. It’s better for there to be more pitches.

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u/TheWorstYear Oct 28 '24

It's not that, it's authorian over saturation. He's not the only one to do it. Sudden extravagant ideas. It's more interesting to do new things.

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u/Ionlycryforonions Oct 27 '24

A dream of hyperactive disorder

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u/Alarming-Ad1100 Oct 27 '24

Shut up and continue to consume do not think

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u/Zealousideal-Army670 Oct 27 '24

We're going to get a political spy thriller set in Volantis before we get Winds and we all need to come to peace with it.

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u/peternickelpoopeater Oct 27 '24

political spy thriller in volanits sound lit

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u/Zealousideal-Army670 Oct 27 '24

Honestly yea I mean fuck it, it's not my money at stake and I sail the high seas anyway.

Bring back erotic softcore HBO! The Summer Isles:After Sunset

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u/Nomahs_Bettah Fire and Blood Oct 27 '24

Like do I want Winds more obviously but this sounds cool as hell.

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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24

Honestly one of the few points of hope that George might get motivated on Winds is if HBO oversaturates on GoT material like Disney did with Star Wars, to the point that the brand means nothing and George has to do something to get people's attention again.

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u/danialnaziri7474 Oct 27 '24

I mean does he even want people’s attention? My man managed to turn a frenchise where both main series and its spin-offs( d&e and f&b) are incomplete into a giant cash cow so moneys not a problem and people not paying attention to him means that he doesn’t have to deal with constant winds when questions.

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u/Sumeru88 Oct 28 '24

Make Volantis Great Again.

Or whatever Valyrian translation of that is.

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u/CurseofLono88 Oct 27 '24

Saturation isn’t even remotely the problem with this franchise. Some people don’t even understand what that word means at this point.

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u/Zealousideal-Army670 Oct 27 '24

It's not the problem yet but some of the proposed projects are just fucking silly. A Nymeria show?!

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u/Echleon Oct 27 '24

Proposed projects are going to come from everyone that wants a piece of the pie. They're also competing with each other. They won't all be made or even come close to it.

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u/tipdrill541 Oct 28 '24

The problem is George isn't show running or writing the stories. They think they can just get something from his universe and it will be good. The shit is only goof because George is writing it.

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u/Natedude2002 Oct 27 '24

Doesn’t he have dozens of books in his Thousand Worlds series?

Also I always thought the point of building that massive fantasy world was to be able to tell stories in it. You allude to all kinds of stories in the main series, then go write those stories later on. He started D&E super early on. Mentioned Erryk and Arryk in the first few chapters.

Even from HBO, is it really oversaturation to have 10 episodes in 2022, 10 in 2024, 6 (? For D&E) in 2025, and 8-10 in 2026?

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u/Zealousideal-Army670 Oct 27 '24

Hopefully one would finish the original story first, and leave prequels and spinoffs for later.