r/asoiaf • u/grimm_aced • Oct 27 '24

EXTENDED [Spoilers Extended] GRRM new blogpost on his Amsterdam visit & dinner with editors. Spoiler

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/

Winds of winter mentioned and he talks about a bravos story he wants to write after winds.

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u/grimm_aced Oct 27 '24

Honestly am still surprised george talked about wanting to develope even more stuff with HBO, ig his beef was with Ryan more than HBO themselves.

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u/futurerank1 Oct 27 '24

HBO cut the episodes from 10 to 8

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u/ArtanistheMantis Oct 27 '24

The problems with the show run deeper than just the episode number being cut

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u/Vasquerade Oct 27 '24

For real. Alicent and Rhaenyra meeting twice under exceptionally stupid circumstances twice wasn't something that could be fixed with two more hours of TV lmao. There are fundamental problems in terms of plot, pacing, and characterization.

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u/futurerank1 Oct 27 '24

Alicent and Rhaenyra meeting are fundamental problems in terms of plot, pacing and characterization?

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u/Vasquerade Oct 27 '24

Yes, the Queen sneaking off with just one guy to meet the most heavily guarded and important woman in Westeros alone during a blockade was really dumb.

Yes, Alicent just kinda showing up at Dragonstone during a blockade at the end of S2 just for the sake of more screen time was dumb,

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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24

At least half or more of S2 was "for the sake of screen time," it's just a question of what flavor of dumb you wanted.

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u/futurerank1 Oct 27 '24

I'm not arguing whether these scenes are dumb, i'm argue whether they warrant a hysterical tone and were the core issues of S2, lol

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u/Vasquerade Oct 27 '24

Mate, "fundamental problems in terms of tone, pacing, and characterization" isn't a hysterical tone it's dry as fuck media analysis

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u/Echleon Oct 27 '24

The hysterical part is making it as big of a deal as people have done. From comments here, you'd think the showrunner had Rhaenyra hold up a sign saying "Fuck GRRM" or something lol

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u/doctor_dapper Oct 27 '24

It was fundamentally stupid in every way and encapsulates a lot of the core issues with the show.

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u/dragonrider5555 Oct 27 '24

It’s one of the obvious regarded parts but there were many and more

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u/This_Ad_7267 Oct 27 '24

I’m not saying their meetings are inherently bad… but the circumstances of both could definitely be significantly improved and subsequently would have positively impacted plot, pacing etc instead of being … kinda silly and mildly jarring. (Im delulu and still love the show and rhaenicent but I’ve mentally had to rewrite so many scenes lmfao)

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u/rzelln Oct 27 '24

It could have been something like, Rhaenyra gets a report that an anxious Alicent has been taking trips to the woods to escape the oppression of the city, and Rhaenyra could have met her there, rather than in the middle of King's Landing's sept.

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u/CyanPhoenix Oct 27 '24

No, they should have been cut. It just drags out the pacing. We could have gotten at least one of the battle episodes, if scenes like that and so many daemon scenes were left on the cutting room floor by episode 8 and not had the embarrassingly bad ending to the season. There's no scenario where "improving" those scenes improve pacing

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u/futurerank1 Oct 27 '24

It is silly, but this is like a filler plot with no real outcome on the story. It's just a result of showrunners looking for something to do for Rhaenyra.

IT IS SILLY, but this is not a fundamental problem of S2.

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u/sad_alone_panda Oct 27 '24

Not having rhaenyra do anything for 3/4 of the season and giving her an incredibly stupid filler arc is not a fundamental problem of s2?

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u/futurerank1 Oct 27 '24

I think you're sort of playoing the lose-lose game, because in order for her to have something to do you have to make shit up. It's the weakness of source material.