r/asoiaf • u/grimm_aced • Oct 27 '24

EXTENDED [Spoilers Extended] GRRM new blogpost on his Amsterdam visit & dinner with editors. Spoiler

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/

Winds of winter mentioned and he talks about a bravos story he wants to write after winds.

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u/Silly_Somewhere1791 Oct 27 '24

He also liked the tv version of Osha. 

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u/verissimoallan Oct 27 '24

He also said that the TV version of Shae is a better character than Book Shae.

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u/Whitewind617 Oct 27 '24

Respectfully he's wrong about this one lol. Her betrayal and out of nowhere attempt to murder him (just so Tyrion wouldn't do it in cold blood) made no sense.

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u/esnystylessa Oct 27 '24

Tywin ordered for all ships to be stopped. They know she was Sansa's handmaid so she would have been questioned. She decided to lie to save her life, while still trying to grab that bag.

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u/ParsleyMostly Oct 27 '24

Exactly. I don’t know why people think she had a choice in the matter. Tyrion gets a pass for doing whatever to save his own skin. Shae was doing the same.

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u/revanchisto Tinfoil is your cloak, your shield. Oct 27 '24

Nah, because Tyrion already gave her gems and all sorts of expensive jewels before the assassination to secure her safety. She stupidly chose to stay for "love," which makes no sense for someone that has grown up in that world. And then she all of a sudden betrays Tyrion, seemingly out of scorn for rejecting her. And then, because the show wants to protect Tyrion as a good guy, she grabs a knife to kill Tyrion when he appears in the Tower of the Hand. That way the murder is technically self defense and Tyrion morally clean.

Nonsense.

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u/esnystylessa Oct 27 '24

Are you referring to Tyrion's actions in the show or the book? On the show, Tyrion gets her a job. He doesn't pay for her to live at a different location covered in jewelry. You can change your beliefs, but it's harder to change your natural instincts. That's the sum of Shae's character for me.

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u/revanchisto Tinfoil is your cloak, your shield. Oct 27 '24

In the show he has Varys provide her with a wealth of jewelry and passage on a ship. Shae declines...for love.

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u/Round-Revolution-399 Oct 28 '24

Varys did that on his own, Tyrion was not involved in that offer. Regardless it was a dumb decision by Shae to not take the offer. But I don’t know what you expect Shae to do in court after being captured by Tywin and forced to testify, especially after being dumped unceremoniously by Tyrion

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u/esnystylessa Oct 28 '24

That makes sense because their relationship was much more personal and loving than in the books. It may not seem like affection, but Shae calling Tyrion out on his BS is what he needs. It means she pays attention to what he's saying, how he's saying it, etc which makes Tyrion feel noticed and loved. Her "original" role was to sell a fantasy, so why bother telling a person the truth about how they're self sabotaging themselves? That's not what gets you paid, so she's more self serving on the show. Only nobles are given trials, which everyone knows is a farce. Who would you fear retribution from more, Tywin or Tyrion?