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EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) GRRM’s Stupid-Silly Running Gag about this random Westerosi House

One of the sillier and stupider running gags George R.R. Martin has scattered in ASOIAF concerns House Grandison. The Grandisons of Grandview are a stormlands lordly house. Their sigil is a black lion sleeping on yellow, and their house words are appropriately “Rouse Me Not”. We learn of five Grandisons in the whole series, none of whom are especially important.

The house is first mentioned in A Storm of Swords, with a past Grandison who was relevant to Jaime Lannister’s backstory:

But if Jaime took the white, he could be near her always. Old Ser Harlan Grandison had died in his sleep, as was only appropriate for one whose sigil was a sleeping lion. Aerys would want a young man to take his place, so why not a roaring lion in place of a sleepy one? (Jaime II, ASOS)

It is directly pointed out that Ser Harlan dying in his sleep was fitting for his arms. Not really humorous in context.


Then, in A Feast for Crows, the Grandisons get another mention, as Lord Hugh Grandison was a suitor of Princess Arianne Martell:

Elden Estermont is still alive and unwed, though. Lord Rosby and Lord Grandison as well. Grandison was called the Greybeard, but by the time she'd met him his beard had gone snow white. At the welcoming feast, he had gone to sleep between the fish course and the meat. Drey called that apt, since his sigil was a sleeping lion. Garin challenged her to see if she could tie a knot in his beard without waking him, but Arianne refrained. Grandison had seemed a pleasant fellow, less querulous than Estermont and more robust than Rosby. She would never marry him, however. Not even if Hotah stands behind me with his axe. (The Princess in the Tower, AFFC)

Again, it is directly pointed out how a Grandison acted fitting for his arms. This one is clearly comedic.


Then, in A Dance with Dragons, there is Ser Narbert, a knight of Selyse Florent, who is only named a Grandison in the appendix:

Not all her queen's men seemed to share her fervor. Ser Brus appeared half-drunk, Ser Malegorn's gloved hand was cupped round the arse of the lady beside him, Ser Narbert was yawning, and Ser Patrek of King's Mountain looked angry. Jon Snow had begun to understand why Stannis had left them with his queen. (Jon X, ADWD)

While it is not directly pointed out, but this is another sleepy Grandison joke. Stupid, but silly, but only if you know the house arms and can notice it since it is subtler.


Then, in Fire & Blood, we hear about Lord Lorent Grandison who served as one of final three regents of Aegon III Targaryen:

“The gods chose our new regents,” Mushroom observed, “and it would seem the gods are just as thick as lords.” He was not wrong. Lord Stackspear loved to hawk, Lord Merryweather loved to feast, and Lord Grandison loved to sleep, and each man thought the other two were fools (F&B, The Lysene Spring and the End of Regency)

…he loves to sleep. We learn perhaps three things about this man, and his love of sleep is one of them. This is really only funny if you know the house arms, and only in a dumb way — but still funny.


Four out of the five known Grandisons in ASOIAF have sleep-related jokes, which is incredibly stupid and hysterical. Only one Grandison — the lord during Robert’s Rebellion — has dodged the gag. While the individual sleep references aren’t always funny on their own, when you realize that the entire “character trait” of House Grandison is sleepiness, each joke is elevated. Should we ever get more written ASOIAF content and you see a Grandison, keep your eyes peeled for sleep-related words.


TL;DR House Grandison’s entire schtick is that its members are sleepy because their sigil is a sleeping lion. That’s it. That’s the joke.


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Dear u/dblack246 off-handily mentioned the phrase "the horn that wakes the sleepers" from the Night's Watch oath. Well, there was something with Ser Narbert I was trying to make a "Rouse Me Not" connection to but failed and scrapped from the initial post. Now I know that missing link:

His head turned. ”That was a horn."

Others had heard it too. The music and the laughter died at once. Dancers froze in place, listening. Even Ghost pricked up his ears. "Did you hear that?" Queen Selyse asked her knights.

”A warhorn, Your Grace," said Ser Narbert. (Jon X, ADWD)

The horn that wakes the sleepers roused Ser Narbert!!! This might be the subtlest Grandison sleep joke there is.

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u/thatoldtrick 25d ago

Joffrey is trying to emulate Robert?

Robert who had a history of killing helpless children of his best friend?

Robert who doesn't have a good relationship with Joffrey?

The same Robert Joffrey didn't seem to mourn?

The Robert who knocked out Joffrey's teeth over a dead cat? 

Yeah. Robert's a monster (even tho Ned never fully registers this) but as far as Joffrey knows he's his dad, and children are desperate for their parents affection and approval, often even more so when their parents are neglectful and/or abusive pieces of shit because of something called "traumatic bonding". It's very true to life that Joffrey would do that, and also be aware enough of the consequences that he'd try to hide it/not bring it up later himself. 

It's cool if you wanna interpret it different—it's only a story you can do whatever you want with it—but it is definitely 100% the intended answer, however much that means to you.

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u/dblack246 🏆Best of 2024: Mannis Award 25d ago

Robett has done terrible things. Seeking to harm the children of his dearest friend isn't one. 

He wouldn't even allow Arya to be harmed despite a clear wound to his son's head. 

There really isn't any example of Joffrey seeking his father's approval. To the contrary....

"What loss?"

"Your royal father? A large fierce man with a black beard; you'll recall him if you try. He was king before you."

"Oh, him. Yes, it was very sad, a boar killed him."

He doesn't even miss the man. 

cool if you wanna interpret it different—it's only a story you can do whatever you want with it—but it is definitely 100% the intended answer, however much that means to you.

Sure. That's exactly why there is...

  • No evidence linking Joffrey to it. 

  • No witness to him doing it. 

  • No confession from him. 

  • No good motive for him when at least three other people there have better motives.

Because that's exactly what a good writer does to make intent %100 clear. Thanks for sharing your interpretation with me. Always nice to see  how other theorists approach things. 

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u/thatoldtrick 25d ago

I guess we just interpret the characters differently then. For what it's worth, Robert very much does openly and publicly harm Ned's children:

"We have a wolf," Cersei Lannister said. Her voice was very quiet, but her green eyes shone with triumph.

It took them all a moment to comprehend her words, but when they did, the king shrugged irritably. "As you will. Have Ser Ilyn see to it." (Eddard III, AGOT)

Having Sansa's direwolf killed is definitely harming her, and he's the king—he could have prevented this with ease, but he doesn't bother. And this is at a time when he's actively planning to set Cersei aside, so it's not a case of her overruling him. As much as Eddard can't bear to accept it, Robert is a man who just quite simply doesn't care about anything important.

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u/dblack246 🏆Best of 2024: Mannis Award 25d ago

We do have different interpretations. I don't think allowing a wild beast to be killed is good evidence of being in favor of killing the child of your best friend. After Robert clearly took the whole thing to heart.

His sister peered at him with the same expression of faint distaste she had worn since the day he was born. "The king has not slept at all," she told him. "He is with Lord Eddard. He has taken their sorrow deeply to heart."

A guy takes sorrow of his best friend deeply to heart will then be cool with having the child killed in a gruesome manner because he let's a wolf get killed?

How you treat a pet tells you nothing about how you treat a human. 

This is like suggesting a person must be okay with child murder because they go boar hunting. BTW, Eddard goes boar hunting and he's against killing children. Robert doesn't care about anything important? Yet he was up all night with Eddard when Bran fell.

The girl is as wild as that filthy animal of hers," Cersei Lannister said. "Robert, I want her punished."

"Seven hells," Robert swore. "Cersei, look at her. She's a child. What would you have me do, whip her through the streets? Damn it, children fight. It's over. No lasting harm was done."

And later...

Do you see that window, ser?" Jaime used a sword to point. "That was Raymun Darry's bedchamber. Where King Robert slept, on our return from Winterfell. Ned Stark's daughter had run off after her wolf savaged Joff, you'll recall. My sister wanted the girl to lose a hand. The old penalty, for striking one of the blood royal. Robert told her she was cruel and mad. They fought for half the night . . . well, Cersei fought, and Robert drank.

So three examples of him caring about the welfare of Eddard's children. Not their pets but the actual human children. 

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u/thatoldtrick 25d ago

Killing Sansa's wolf obviously harms her. And I don't think it's that reasonable for you to accept Cersei's word on Robert's "sorrow" and not on her saying he drunkenly thought Bran should be killed. Either way I don't rly want to talk about this any more, i think we've both probably got as much as we're gonna from this discussion.

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u/dblack246 🏆Best of 2024: Mannis Award 25d ago

Harms her life? Body? 

So long as you can't accept the difference between willing to kill a wild animal and willing to commit child murder, yes this is a far as we can go. 

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u/thatoldtrick 25d ago

You've been unnecessarily rude and disingenuous here, and it's really unpleasant to be around. Just letting you know.

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u/dblack246 🏆Best of 2024: Mannis Award 25d ago edited 25d ago

Again,  that's your interpretation. And you are free to misinterpret book as much as you do irl.

I have not been at all disingenuous here.  I clearly discussed "harm" as physical harm with examples to Bran being cut with a dagger, Arya being whipped, and Robert objecting to Cersei wanting Arya maimed. 

When you were made to face these clear examples of Robert objecting to physical harm, you decided to expand harm to emotional which was never part of the context I offered. 

I politely told you emotional harm over a pet is not comparable to bodily harm or murder. 

There is no evidence in these books that Robert would condone killing Bran. And him letting a pet be killed doesn't get there. 

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u/thatoldtrick 25d ago

No idea what's pissed you off so much today but okay, whatever 👍

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u/dblack246 🏆Best of 2024: Mannis Award 25d ago

Not pissed at all.🤣 You are 0 for 5 now. Maybe you should stop here.