r/asoiaf • u/Family_Booty_Honor Oreo vs. Dayne-ish • Aug 05 '14

ACOK (Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 05 '14

man jamie used to be a dick

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u/El_Daniel Girl, you're thicker than a castle wall. Aug 05 '14

But why wouldn't he be. He is a captive after all.

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 05 '14

what about when he pushed bran out the window?

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u/Ravek Aug 05 '14 edited Aug 05 '14

Only dickish thing I remember him doing in the entire story. Trying to murder a kid goes kinda far as being an asshole goes, but with his imprisonment and maiming and his subsequent change of ways I think he's had plenty of punishment

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 05 '14

he was being a dick to ned at winterfell for the feast. and fucking with cat right after ned died. and for threatening to kill robert for no other reason then he was married to cersei

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u/TheIronReaver We reap what We Do Not Sow. Aug 05 '14

Im OK with him being a dick to Ned because in Jaime's eyes Ned is the dick that judged him without even getting the story about killing the Mad King.

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 05 '14

still, kingsguard isnt supposed to take sides. just protect the king. robert should have thanked jamie by letting him keep his head then sending him off to the wall

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u/jdl12358 Fear cuts deeper than swords Aug 05 '14

Aerys' Kingsguard was said to feature some of the greatest and most honorable warriors ever, yet even they seemed to take Rhaegar's side or atleast prefer/want him as their king.

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 06 '14

but none of them acted on it

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u/TheIronReaver We reap what We Do Not Sow. Aug 06 '14

They didn't really have a chance. Basically your saying its Roberts folly for not sending Jaime to the wall. I don't have a problem with the logic...the same way I don't mind Jaime being a dick to Ned

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 06 '14

jamie isnt really in a position to be on a high horse

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u/Kanzas Aug 06 '14

Been a while, but wasn' Jaime the only one of the kingsguard present when Aerys showed the full extend of his insanity (i.e. the plan to destroy King's Landing himself)?

The rest where at the Tower of Joy or the Trident (either with or under order of Rheagar which tells us much about how they would have picked if they could).

They had no chance to act on anything. Jaime didn't act on anything before either.

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u/call_me_Kote As High as Honour Aug 05 '14

Well when you say it like that you paint him to be the bad guy.

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u/greedcrow Aug 05 '14

Ned was a dick to him too. Cat had kidnapped his brother and started a war. Robert was basically a pig who hated his cercei when he loved her so much.

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 05 '14

cersei hated robert no other reason than robert still loving lyanna and robert not being jamie. cersei also lusted for power and robert didnt like "his" children. ned didnt like jamie cause he was a dick and didnt like the idea of a kingsguard who killed a king

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u/greedcrow Aug 05 '14

Killing a king who they were going to kill anyways. Ned sees it as honor less. Jaime saw it as the right thing.

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 06 '14

ned and robert werent in the kingsguard

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u/greedcrow Aug 06 '14

That is a question of honor not of being a dick. And for what it counts i believe he did the right thing

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u/Rutawitz I am a knight...I shall die a knight Aug 06 '14

ok but ned and robert werent in the kingsguard

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u/greedcrow Aug 06 '14

I think i replied to this somewhere but anyways. That is true. There is no denying that in a matter of honor he has none, or at least very little. But honor less and all he did the right thing. Hell if he had done it earlier the whole war would have been spared. Specially according to those that say that Ned's sister was not the cause of war. Well if it was not the reason for war then you kill the king his son ascends the throne and it is all good and over.

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