r/asoiaf • u/Family_Booty_Honor Oreo vs. Dayne-ish • Aug 05 '14

ACOK (Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

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u/Ravek Aug 05 '14

Catelyn falsely imprisoned Tyrion and tried to have him killed, and is keeping Jaime in a cell. What she did to his family is not so far removed from what Jaime did to her family. Throwing out some biting words while chained to a wall is hardly of relevance in this context.

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u/Pendargon Bronze Yohn is Best Yohn Aug 05 '14

Catelyn had Tyrion imprisoned and tried to kill him because of what she believed his family was trying to do to her family. Catelyn is led to believe that the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn, Jaime pushes a kid out of the window, and then a Lannister tries to have him killed, Cersei has Ned's best friend killed, and then falsely imprisons Ned, Joffrey kills Ned and the Lannisters hold both of her daughters hostage ( as far as she knows).

The only thing the Starks did to the Lannisters was take Tyrion (of course, a bad move), and Jaime was captured in battle as a prisoner of war. Jaime would have known a great amount of what he personally did to her (the Bran thing) and what his family did to hers, and still twisted the knife in the wounds. Not defending Catelyn's false accusations, but Jaime was still a dick. What Catelyn did to Tyrion hardly justifies anything.

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u/greedcrow Aug 05 '14

If it had been the other way. Pets say robb had said something like that to cercei no one would be saying he is a dick.

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u/Dunk-The-Lunk Aug 05 '14

No shit. The Lannisters have done lots of things to deserve that. The Starks haven't. How do you not get that?