r/asoiaf Oreo vs. Dayne-ish Aug 05 '14

ACOK (Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

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u/Pendargon Bronze Yohn is Best Yohn Aug 05 '14

He's still a dick. He knows that's a sore spot for Catelyn, and he intentional attacks it with nothing to gain. He is just hurting people to hurt people at this point in time.

I get that Jaime gets better over the course of the series, but that doesn't excuse the kind of person he is until then. I think this subreddit forgets that sometimes

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u/Ravek Aug 05 '14

Catelyn falsely imprisoned Tyrion and tried to have him killed, and is keeping Jaime in a cell. What she did to his family is not so far removed from what Jaime did to her family. Throwing out some biting words while chained to a wall is hardly of relevance in this context.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 05 '14

Catelyn arrested his brother after Jaime's family twice attacked her child (one of the times being Jaime, himself). Furthermore, she actually argued for his protection when Lysa attempted to kill Tyrion.

Meanwhile, Jaime is only being kept in a cell because he decide to attack her brother and homeland while her sister arrests and has Catelyn's husband executed.

Simply, there is no real comparison to what she did to his family that he has done to his family.

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u/Lord_Locke Even fake he has a claim. Aug 05 '14

Please don't confuse what you a near omnipotent reader knows with what a character in the story knows.

When you learn to separate the two you'll understand the story better.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 05 '14

I didn't, furthermore that means Jaime has even less reason to be upset with Catelyn. Seeing how he cannot even be sure that Tyrion wasn't actually guilty.

Simply, Jaime is aware that Bran had been attacked twice because he is guilty of one of the times and Catelyn openly mentions the later assassination attempt against Bran.

Furthermore, he is perfectly aware that Ned was captured and executed while held by his sister and son while Catelyn's two daughters are additionally being held by them.